this post was submitted on 31 Aug 2024
725 points (98.5% liked)

News

23634 readers
3230 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Hopefully the mods are okay with a little journalism about journalism so that people know where Politico stands in terms of being a trustworthy source.

The headline in question:

‘Next question’: Harris evades questions about her identity

The background to the headline is from Harris' recent CNN interview:

“I want to ask you about your opponent, Donald Trump,” Bash said to Harris. “I was a little bit surprised. People might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face-to-face. That’s gonna change soon. But what I wanna ask you about is what he said last month. He suggested that you ‘happened’ to turn Black recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity.”

“Same old, tired playbook,” Harris replied. “Next question, please.”

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 249 points 3 months ago (11 children)

HOLY SHIT. This is a much bigger deal than people realize. Politico is suggesting that her identity is in question to begin with. It's not.

She didn't evade a question about her identity because there is no question about her identity. She passed an opportunity to get upset over Trump's comments.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 113 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's just a different version of that Birther shit they tried to use on Obama

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least with the birther shit, there was a question of whether Obama should just put the question to rest or ignore it.

This is literally just an insult for her being multiracial. And Politico is asking if she's hiding something.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even pro obama people got gaslit by how hard they tried to sell the lie. The question was always "put to rest", his birth certificate was already released, birthers were demanding a document that was the first result in a google search of said document.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just changing the word"evades" to "deflects" would have made all the difference in the world.

Not a Kamala fan, but her response seemed totally appropriate.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Kamala slams Trump's "same old, tired playbook" for questioning her identity

... would have made all the difference in the world, and been more accurate as well. I wouldn't even have minded the "slams" here.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

"But what about the drammmmaaaaaaa?" - Politico

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago

Politico belongs to Axel Springer now so it has absolutely 0 credibility left.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Feels like how they treated Obama over the birth certificate

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 203 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The hypocrisy. Trump evades questions about EVERYTHING, yet gets called almost never. Her answer isn't even an evasion. It was a whole dismissive argument on the absurdity of both the claim and question summarized in a terse “Same old, tired playbook. Next question, please.”

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 36 points 3 months ago

Same energy as Quinten Tarantino refusing to answer some questions about violence in media or using the N word in movies.

It's been asked a thousand times, you have nothing new to add to this discussion, we're moving on.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Trump lies about EVERYTHING too. Not a peep out of the media when they interview him. How about, "Sir, why do you lied constantly?"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 163 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (26 children)

Honest question from a European: Do you guys still have journalism somewhere? It all seems to be political propaganda or outrage clickbait with you guys.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 148 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Point of order from an American: Politico is a wholly owned subsidiary of German multinational Axel Springer.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Didn't know that (i'm German), but Springer ist known in Germany to outright lie to push rightwing agenda

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Better regulation in EU and Germany. And better freedom of speech too.
Many Americans confuse the right to lie with freedom of speech.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 95 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Very little, but there is NPR, which generally attempts to do real journalism.

https://www.npr.org/

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] protist@mander.xyz 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

ProPublica, PBS, and don't forget the Daily Show

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I wouldn't say the Daily Show does real journalism. They do make important stories public, but they have a clear slant both in terms of politics and in terms of making it funny.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Which is precisely why Musk has flagged it as possible misinformation on Xitter.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

John Oliver

load more comments (23 replies)
[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 118 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Multi race people are use to this shit. We are denied one race or another. If you don't look how people expect you will receive racist shit about both races, really fun.

I have many issues with Harris, but I'm glad she is exposing this shit. I'm tired of closet and undercover racists.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's amazing how many of them feel emboldened to come out of the woodwork now. It's because they're a bunch of 30- and 40-somethings who grew up and/or spent their on 4Chan and never left that mindset.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You would be surprised how many whisper at work and get upset when you expose them. I love doing it. I'm the undercover brother.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I’m not biracial but I am a dual citizen. When I lived in Canada I was called a yankee and when I moved to the USA I was called a Canuck. Can’t win lol.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 103 points 3 months ago (2 children)

so that people know where Politico stands in terms of being a trustworthy source

I just assume all media actually want a Trump victory, because they get money writing articles and the money was good his first term. If Trump is good at anything, it's making headlines.

[–] brianary@startrek.website 110 points 3 months ago (7 children)
[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Trump gives tax cuts to the rich. Rich people own the media. This has always been true, but with the extreme increase in inequality, it’s never been worse. There’s no longer a liberal media.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 73 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Keep in mind race is very important to conservatives. VERY IMPORTANT. to them, once an association is made ... It can not be changed. And you can't be 2 races at once. its very important to them and they have lots of rules about it.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I heard if you whisper “intersectionality” to an unsuspecting conservative, their heart just stops.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How is plainly calling it out as the bullshit that it is "evasion?" That headline isn't just misleading; it's a straight-up lie.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] elrik@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bash said: "But what I wanna ask you about is what he said last month. He suggested that you ‘happened’ to turn Black recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity.”

Where was the question? That's simply a statement about what Trump said.

Politico's headline is outrageous, but what was Bash even trying to do here? Because it reads like she was trying to ask (without asking) if Harris is black, which is just as weird and absurd as Trump's original comment.

Harris's reply is great because it applies both to Trump's racism and the problem with journalists giving these comments anything more than ridicule.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

Where was the question? That’s simply a statement about what Trump said.

All of Dana Bash's questions were just Donald Trump talking points.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Acting like there's any legitimate questions about Harris being a black person is inherently racist and doing the bidding of Trump. I didn't think very highly of Politico before this but unless they fire whoever wrote that headline they are dead to me now.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 47 points 3 months ago

Axel Springer bought Politico a while ago. In other words: it's utter shit and absolutely useless for any actual reporting. But great if you want to peddle some reactionary bullshit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Headline is still up on their front page even:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/30/harris-cnn-interview-race-gender-00176929

"Harris sidesteps the spotlight when it comes to her identity

The vice president makes her case on identity implicit. Black women are OK with that."

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If I ever see a question like that posed to a white politician I will accept it as valid. Otherwise it's just more dumb racist shit.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That seemed like the entirely right answer. It was a bullshit question that didn’t need dignified with a response.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

These corporate media companies are all the same and are a blight upon our society.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

She should have asked Bash when he happened to turn orange. He used to be white.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Journalism was already in a death spiral but this type of article just highlights it.

They're just taking a secondary source with a shitty headline, cherry picking spicy reactions on Twitter and then writing another shitty headline.

I could theoretically do the same thing, cherrypick Twitter and then post the following "article" to my own shit-tier political news blog:

"Mediaite panned for misleading headline about headlines."

The only "sources" I have to cite are random Tweets that I preselected because they already agreed with my point of view.

We are approaching something that is close to the opposite of journalism.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›