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[-] ADHDefy@kbin.social 68 points 1 year ago

On one hand, thank god I get to play it on PC.

On the other hand, fuck Microsoft.

On the third hand, fuck Sony, too.

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago

exclusivity is shit and blatantly anti-consumer

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Counterpoint: I don't see a point in buying consoles if they have no exclusives

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

a budget gaming pc that requires minimal upkeep or research into picking parts or putting them together

if that isnt a good enough reason, counterpoint: maybe consoles just have no point then

[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Consoles are mass produced and (usually) sold at a loss. I don't see how PCs can compete with that in terms of value.

Additionally, consoles receive better support from both their manufacturers and from large game developers.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Consoles are by far the best bang for your buck right now in terms of performance vs cost. A decent GPU alone today costs as much as a PS5/Series X. Unless you need a powerful desktop for other purposes, it's cheaper to buy a console and a decent laptop separately than it is to build a gaming PC.

[-] falk1856@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Short term, sure. But got 12 years of decent gaming out of my last PC that I just replaced in January. I don't know any consoles that continue to have releases over that sort of timeframe.

[-] ezri@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Idk about that, if you're aiming for performance similar to what consoles get you can build a PC for pretty cheap

[-] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, if you're only buying a console to play that one or two games, they are objectively not a good choice to buy for you. Or if you have multiple consoles just to play all the exclusives, not for any actual feature of the device or cause it does something specific you want (or has accessories others don't, like VR), same thing. This promotes innovation.

If games weren't exclusive, you could just buy whatever console fits your use case the best, offers the best performance, or the cheapest for more casual gamers who don't care about performance who just want to play something every now and then. That's good for consumers.

So what you said isn't a counterpoint at all. It's just your reason for buying them I presume, actually proving they are bad for consumers especially in your case. If they had no exclusives, you'd just play whatever game you want on whatever platform you chose, losing nothing.

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[-] FaulerFuffi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

You're not making a counterpoint, you're making THE point against exclusivity

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[-] z3n0x@feddit.de 47 points 1 year ago

screw all that exclusivity shit

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 26 points 1 year ago

God forbid they release it everywhere and compete to have the best console that people want to buy

[-] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

but then they would have to compete on hardware

Won't anybody think of what that costs the poor billionaires?

[-] g0nz0li0@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago

Lately, PS Plus has felt like a better GamePass than GamePass. That almost certainly wouldn’t be the case if there is further market consolidation.

So I get Microsoft’s angle but ultimately I want to see them both compete for value and monopolies don’t do that. Also we’ve seen what Microsoft do with monopolies…

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Does it feel to you like competition is close between the two consoles without this acquisition?

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Not the other person but no. Microsoft really needs more exclusive games to their system. I
Want the three major systems to do well because that means there's lots of good games to play. But it seems microsoft have forgotten about making good games leading consumers to choose Sony.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Microsoft really needs more exclusive games to their system.

Fuck exclusivity

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It sucks, but gamers buy consoles for the exclusives. PS has way better exclusives and look how much better it sells.

If Xbox doesn't start doing decent exclusives, it'll cease to exist as a platform and we'll only have PS and Switch left.

Basically, if Microsoft doesn't do anti-competitive things, they get punished by the free market. It sucks, because I LOVE the fact that Xbox games come out on PC day 1 now, buuuuuuut that's gonna be no good for Xbox market share.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I don't care about Xbox's market share. I care about the consumers. And exclusives are bad for gamers.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Monopolies are also bad for gamers. Playstation can engage in more anticompetitive behaviour when Xbox ceases to exist.

Only way to improve the situation would be something like a contract where they each agree not to do exclusives for X years or something, then revisit it when the contract expires.

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[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think they forgot, but to get the throughput that Sony has takes a lot of studios...that they're trying to buy right now. I'm not a fan of it, but it's too hard for someone else to enter the console space, so I don't see another way for that gap to close.

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

They have and had studios. They just put all their funding into milking franchises that peaked in the 360 generation.

Sony didn't gain the lead because of quantity. It was through quality and good variety, starting at the end of the PS3 lifecycle that carried into the last generation.

Microsoft should improve their ability developing quality games. Their last showcase showed maybe they have some coming.

[-] Steve@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I have to agree with the other comment… it’s not a quantity thing. Sony’s first party games have just been a far higher quality than Microsoft’s for a while. I can’t think of many Must Have Xbox games, but all the big exclusive games Sony releases are top of the chart must have games.

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

You can't think of any must have Xbox games because they all come out on PC right away and PlayStation arbitrarily holds them for a few years.

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[-] Lowbird@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The PS5 is still difficult to even purchase in the first place, isn't it?

And if Playstation wanted to make inroads on PC, Microsoft has a leg up in the PC market as well by dent of being Microsoft and making the OS, so Xbox controllers are more plug and play than Playstation ones, they can optimize performance better, etc.

Overall I don't think Microsoft becoming even more of a monopoly would help anybody but Microsoft.

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[-] g0nz0li0@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I don’t see how market consolidation benefits consumers. I’m not sure that I understand the point you are making?

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Without something significant to move the needle back toward Microsoft, Sony will be the de facto high-end console manufacturer, which isn't good for consumers.

[-] g0nz0li0@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I understand the point you are making, but combating market consolidation with more market consolidation doesn’t help consumers in the long term.

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, but short of legislating out the ability for exclusivity deals, I don't know what else could be done.

[-] g0nz0li0@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t like exclusivity deals and platform fragmentation either, I think it’s anti-consumer. But to be fair I don’t think the Microsoft deal is just about that.

Microsoft’s market cap is something like 23x that of Sony’s; the reason they are in 3rd place is entirely down to mismanagement. It’s pretty typical for Microsoft to find themselves in this position in many of the markets they have chosen to occupy over the decades, and so they instead use their deep pockets to buy their way to being market leaders. Microsoft have a long history of using acquisitions to buy out or block competitors, to the detriment of the market.

We saw what happened when Microsoft got a whiff of success in the 360 era. The Xbox One was anti-gamer and anti-consumer, and it didn’t happen by accident: that’s straight out of Microsoft’s playbook.

The increased competition might be nice in the short term, but it gives Microsoft an opportunity to disproportionately influence the gaming industry for decades into the future imo.

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[-] t0fr@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

So all is just Microsoft and Sony blaming each other of being more anti-competitive

[-] ATwig@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Well ya, Sony is actively trying to block Microsoft from buying Activision Blizzard.

I also kind find this whole thing funny because Microsoft keeps enough cash on hand to just outright buy Sony without having to liquidate any assets so I'm willing to bet that'll be the eventual power move

[-] ram@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

If the FTC has any credibility at all, or even an illusion of credibility, at least that would be too big an acquisition.

[-] hglman@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

About 14 billion short at current. Who know what a buyout would actual take beyond the regulatory requirements.

[-] ATwig@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Well if the Activision Blizzard falls through then there's your extra cash lol

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

governments would never allow that, and im sure Microsoft is aware that they would never allow that

[-] hybridhavoc@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

after hearing Starfield might be exclusive to PlayStation

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[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

I keep hoping that since Microsoft owns Obsidian they might somehow allow Obsidian to make another fallout game... I miss good writing in Fallout.

[-] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Considering that Bethesda doesn't seem to have enough people to work full time with two major releases simultaneously, giving Fallout to other studios wouldn't be that far fetched. Otherwise Microsoft would have to wait for Elder Scrolls 6 release to have a full team working on a Fallout game, and that release window is rumoured to be 5-6 years from now. So 8+ more years without a real main series game in one of their big franchises seems like bad business...

Interesting thing is that Microsoft has the key building blocks from Interplay era under their banner already. Through Obsidian they have Tim Cain, Chris Jones and Feargus Urquhart, who lead the first two Fallout games. inExile has Brian Fargo, the original idea man of the series. And Bethesda has the IP. They could really get the original team together to cook up a new game.

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[-] Panthios@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

They did the same thing with Bungie when Halo was announced for the Mac.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wouldnt they make more making it more widely available?

[-] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not necessarily. Sony pays them enough to offset the loss of sales for a year, and they can then go multiplatform after. Usually with a GOTY edition or some bonus content. The recent Tomb Raider games ar a good example of this.

What numbers are being tossed around I could only speculate, but that's the idea.

[-] CoderKat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I wish it was illegal to do that. It's blatantly anti consumer. Exclusivity does absolutely nothing good for consumers and only harms them by pushing them to have to own multiple, otherwise redundant consoles.

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