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Due to an oversight, Trump's attorneys failed to ask for a jury trial within the time allotted to them

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[–] Mammal@lemmy.world 124 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The guy with a reputation for not paying his attorneys is having trouble attracting good legal council?

Shocked. I'm shocked.

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

His lawyers probably didn’t expect to juggle a dozen trials at the same time. That, and, no one even halfway competent would ever work for Trump. Most of his previous attorneys are codefendants in his criminal trials at this point.

[–] JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I can hear the ineffective assistance of counsel appeal being typed up now.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 9 months ago

"OK so what's our strategy here?"

"Well, I'm going to be so incompetent that when you're inevitably found guilty you can appeal on the basis that I'm incompetent"

"Genius. I love it."

[–] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago

Doubtless they will turn it a day late, and a dollar short. SMH

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

I'll write the order denying it - no prejudice given the mountains of evidence so he can '"get fukt".

[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 44 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So the repeated (ad nauseum) Trump claim "I only hire the best people" isn't accurate?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's absolutely accurate, we just never asked by what metric "best" was being measured.

"Best" in this case was apparently "someone dumb enough to think Trump won't screw them out of money." :P

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

“They didn’t ask for payment up front.”

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll let the team over at Legal Eagle answer that one

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So, I must have followed a link to one of their videos at some point, because the YouTube algorithm spammed me their shit for months until I blocked it.

What kind of content is it? The thumbnails and titles looked rage baity

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago

It's actually pretty decent legal oriented YouTube entertainment. He's a practicing lawyer that talks about current events and discusses possibly relevant laws or sometimes legal procedures. Sort of a more serious version of attorney tom.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

It's pretty good. He definitely has a bias and I don't agree with him 100% of the time.

For example, he advocates that forced arbitration agreements isn't that bad. I don't agree with that at all.

But it's good content and high quality.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

He's actually pretty good. I really enjoy some of his reviews of legal movies.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If Trump could hire the best lawyers money could buy, he would.

Problem is he is either stiffed his previous lawyers, so the smart ones don't trust him.

Or those lawyers are now witnesses in his legal battles. So they can't represent him.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah when your lawyers have to record you (believe it's something from Cohen's testimony) to have a backup of what you requested, you don't get the best lawyers. Trump would never hire someone that seems smarter them himself, he has to be the most intelligent person in the room (lol). No one intelligent would really act dumb enough to be hired by someone who is notorious for not paying, mean unless there's other factors but he's not getting a highly regarded and clean lawyer at this point.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Anyone else have fun thinking about how fictional lawyers would represent Trump?

Like I could see someone like Lionel Hutz representing Trump. Maybe Barry Zuckercorn.

Not Bob Loblaw. I think Saul Goodman might pass on him. Kim Wexler I could see doing it probono.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I only hire the best people*

*that will actually agree to work for me, which is a small and shrinking list.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

and probably not get paid

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Oh no. 🍿

[–] captsneeze@lemmy.one 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I’m just some idiot on the internet who doesn’t know what I’m talking about, but…

Is it possible this isn’t a mistake? If you’re going to try to win a trial through corruption and wrongdoings, it seems easier to illicitly win over (and have it stay quiet) one person than half of a jury, no?

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This judge already appears to have an axe to grind with Trump, so, uh, it probably would have been easier with a jury.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

That's their play, they don't want a jury because they're trying to pay the groundwork for a mistrial via judicial bias but that is a high jump and they're stumbling on molehills.

[–] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Not a mistake. They plan to win on appeal.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Sounds like he's setting up an appeal to a sympathetic judge on the basis of "the evil liberals were mean to me!"

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You only need one juror though, no?

[–] captsneeze@lemmy.one 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m honestly not sure. Does a jury vote need to be unanimous for a guilty verdict?

[–] Googlyman64@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The jury has to be unanimous no matter the decision. If they can't agree, they either deliberate as long as it takes, or if the jury is hung, then they'll reduce the charges.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I posted this story in politics from another source a few days ago and it was removed because apparently the source wasn’t good enough and people couldn’t find it anywhere else. It was the only source reporting it at the time, but ok then.

edit: guess it was farther back than I remember, here’s that article from ~3 weeks ago

https://washingtonpress.com/2023/09/12/attorney-error-trump-eschews-jury-in-manhattan-case/

edit2: yep, 19 days ago

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Quit being so fast and accurate with your news! This isn’t Reuters!

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 10 points 9 months ago

Sorry sorry I’ll build in a delay from now on.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes, because they fully believe that 40% of the nation would exonerate him. So they want jury trials to be stacked with loyalists. There is also the possibility that they want to know who will make the decision so they can be coerced.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Slash have his cult threaten their lives. He's already gotten away with it a couple times without anything happening so why not again?

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Dude just literally put a mafia style "make him an offer he can't refuse" hit on a 4 star general in our armed forces. With no consequences.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It depends on where the jury pool comes from. I doubt that 4 people in Manhattan or Brooklyn would want to exonerate him, much less 40%. But if they can pull from Staten Island as well, his chances of finding at least one goober who would be willing to ignore the facts and exonerate him get larger.

[–] Cheesus@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Long trials tend to have a large jury pool to select from. I was recently in the pool for a 7 week trial in Oakland and there were 150 of us to choose from. The defense just needs to find 4 Republicans to get into the jury and the case is over. You would assume a staunch Republican would try hard to get on the jury to help protect trump.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I think you underestimate how much New Yorkers (Particularly NYC) loathe Trump. Brooklyn and Queens saw something insane like 75% of the vote go to Biden, in Manhattan and then Bronx it was closer to 85%. And we can't assume the remaining 15% are full MAGA, either, they may have just not liked Biden but were ambivalent to Trump.

Staten Island is where NYC keeps its Conservatives, it went for Trump 52 to 42.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York

[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 9 points 9 months ago

Given the stack of damning evidence against him, probably. Jury's adds an unknown quantity. So if you think you can win without on, you should not request one.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think this is one of the trials with a Judge that he did not appoint...so he probably did in this one.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

NY city, not federal. The judge was not appointed by trump at all (and trump has been incredibly hostile to said judge,)

Lol this is fantastic. The trial is going to be an absolute blast :D

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Did he fire his attorneys? No? Then it was on purpose. He's building up to some political bullshit.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

It also really limits his appeals options.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Good. Let's hope that this is just the first of stupidities he stumbles over. Didn't he already piss off the judge that presides over this case?

[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I'd love to see the judge rule from the bench on this.