Google now : memes

[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 122 points 7 months ago

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[-] F04118F@feddit.nl 65 points 7 months ago

Are you running for a seat in the European Parliament next year?

[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 42 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately I’d be running from Italy and well, we are a bit boneheaded at the moment.

[-] TJmCAwesome@feddit.nu 12 points 7 months ago

You ain't kidding!

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago

Ouch. My condolences.

But hey, it's not just you though; here in Finland we've had eg. multiple literal neo-Nazis in the government – one had to quit because, you know, he is a neo-Nazi, but the extremist right wing party he's from replaced him with a pedophile neo-Nazi – and our Speaker of the Parliament has publicly fantasized on his blog about murdering gay people. And that's just the highlight reel, it gets so much worse.

Europe's a bit fucked, honestly.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

While true, apple remains the bigger hurdle here. They don't seem even willing to cooperate.

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 62 points 7 months ago

Didn't we already have this for a breid shining moment with XMPP before Google and others broke it?

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 33 points 7 months ago

It’s not broken though. They broke their own forks of it.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Google basically Embrace, Expand, Extinguished XMPP.

[-] hai@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Only “basically”!?

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

"Broke" isn't really tye right word. The protocol exists and could be used but companies like Google added proprietary atuff that made it impossible to use it as an open universal "system".

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[-] dzervas@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

my whole experience with matrix is deeply disappointing. devices getting out of sync, not being able to decrypt messages, missing notifications and that fucking mark as read not working are daily problems

dig deeper and you’ll find the causes of the problems, which are disturbing. e.g. a json string is hashed (however 2 equal json objects can be the same while their strings are very different)

the only reason I still use it is a room I want to be part of

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

How it's pretty good if it's in a pre-alpha stage? The reviews tell otherwise.

[-] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I sure hope it (matrix) doesn’t go full Skynet on us

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[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 17 points 7 months ago

I'm OOTL with this. Anakin, what are you talking about?

[-] sarmale@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago

found this post

[-] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Would be goated if everyone just switched to the Signal protocol and interop was mandated, but that'll never happen unfortunately.

[-] sarmale@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

Isnt signal protocol just encrypting? It doesent deliver messages

[-] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Signal is a means for message encryption, and if every platform used it and then were mandated to interop, they'd have to figure out how to do the actual transfer, yes. RCS is basically this except nerfed and partially Google-owned which is shit.

[-] bram@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

This is where Matrix comes in. Fully open source and supports federation the way Lemmy does. (Even more effectively, actually.)

[-] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Matrix is more of a Discord alternative than a Whatsapp alternative though unless I'm mistaken?

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[-] LucidLethargy@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Spell check was invented in 1971.

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Meme is missing an s, literally unreadable

[-] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Spell check existed way before 1971.

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[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 11 points 7 months ago

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[-] Veticia@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

We can also go the other way around. Force Apple to make iMessage an open standard.

[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

That’s true, but there would be additional challenges. Outside of the US, Android dominates the markets to the tune of +80%. In order for such an effort to have teeth, there has to be incentive for them to comply. They could pull iOS out of the EU market and remove iMessage from macOS if it came down to it. They are already such a small percentage they might just eat the loss as the cost of protecting their walled garden. Unlikely, but a possibility nonetheless.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Seriously. Hold them all accountable. Don't be pro-google/anti-apple because you happened to give some money to one of them. Scrutinize both at all times.

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

RCS will be closed?

[-] sarmale@lemmy.zip 22 points 7 months ago

The implementation google pushes for is, also couldnt find any foss rcs apps

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

After a quick googling it looks like RCS is a proprietary standard of GSMA and not open in any implementation.

Am I missing something here? I assume you have more info than me so maybe there's more insight on there being open implementations.

[-] sarmale@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago

I also think that, but im not sure, what I am sure is that the Google implementation is not

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Talk about a total bummer either way. I appreciate the confirmation.

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

wtf I didn't even think about checking if RCS was open source, I thought it was obviously! I was hoping so much from RCS, are SMS also proprietary?

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 7 months ago

there's the part that google added on top, which isn't open.

And then there's rcs itself, which isn't open either. You need to get a license from the gsma

[-] zorro@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I believe this is the specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8591

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Google tries to make many messaging standards and programs

All fail because of mismanagement

This is supposed to be Apple's problem?

[-] N200L@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Google didn't create RCS. The idea was floated in 2008 and in 2009 the GSM association (Non-profit, representing 700+ mobile carriers across the world) began directing the project. Since then 47 mobile network operators, 11 equipment manufacturers, and 2 operating system companies (Google & Microsoft) have pledged their support for RCS.

In fact, Google only started implementing RCS in 2019 whereas Samsung has been releasing phones since 2012 with RCS. Now RCS is actively used by over 88 operators in 59 countries with almost 400,000,000 daily users.

tl;dr - Apple not using RCS is Apple's problem when the rest of the world does.

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago

It’s not about Apple or Google. There just needs to be a common standard.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

It's not Android users who are getting ugly green text boxes on their phones.

[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

Apple could open up iMessage.

[-] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

I'm not really into these types of apps but I think matrix is close to what you're looking for.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 7 months ago

Ah yes, Failed to load image, my favorite messaging protocol

[-] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

Boost still uses reddit formatting i think https://matrix.org

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[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the laugh my sweet little internet hero of the day!

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Google always

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