Depends, is this vampire known as Brock Turner?
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Vampires and humans are not known for enforcing laws against each other. Stake it before you get eaten rule. Eat then deny you were not invited in rule.
I'm not sure there is "binding magical power" in the food's words, and if not, it's not worth considering the food's words. Not much recent history of "magical god intervention" stopping rule breaking, and there would need to be a "magical human+vampire governing interventionist god" there to supervise all interactions.
Imagining a vampire showing up to Wayne and Garth's studio.
"You may come in...... NOT!"
"No."
Don't forget that a door mat that says "welcome" counts as consent.
What We Do In The Shadows reference?
At least I remember it from Renfield
I just realized that I'd be pretty safe from vampire infestations. I hate having visitors, and will make (up) any excuse to avoid them. "Sure, but I was about to leave to deal with a work-related emergency. I don't know when I'll be home."
...and then they can sit there alone until I see them leaving on my door camera.
I don't mind visiting others, because then I can leave when I'm spent. At home, however, it's where I expect to be left alone.
Assuming that vampires can be seen on camera
Assuming someone knocking on my door without being visible on my camera would get a response to begin with.
You said "sure", you're done!
This inspired me to keep a handheld mirror near my front door, for when someone inevitably asks if they can come in, I can grab it and do a very obvious vampire check
I hope your can find a mirror made with silver, most modern ones aren't, and that's why vampires didn't show up in them
Dammit, time to hit the antique store.
Dude. Thank you. I would've let so many vampires in.
As much as I appreciate it though, we're poor as fuck, vampires still welcome.
You can use an old silver spoon or knife as a mirror
Or stab a stake in their heart! If they are a vampire, they will either instantly turn to dust or at least be paralysed, so you can easily dispose of them.
Otherwise it's going to be just ordinary murder.
You're mixing stuff up. Mirrors reflect souls, and since vampires don't have souls, they don't have no reflections.
By that logic, no inanimate objects should show up either. I'd look in a mirror and would see behind me through the back wall and all the way to my neighbors inside their now invisible soulless house, and all neighbors beyond. It'd just be a bunch of people at various distances in my mirror line of sight in an infinite void behind me as far as the eye can see. And we'd all appear naked.
That's hot.
They don't need to they just evict you instead.
I think it's safe to say that intent is what matters, not the technicality of communicating that intent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention
If you live alone and vampire shows up at your door with a gun and shoots you dead, could it then enter the house
Yes but then it has to water my plants weekly forever.
No, because you didn't grant it consent to enter prior to death.
That only applies if you stick around haunting the house. If your soul moves on the house is no longer yours.
OK, but what if you're still haunting the house, but a new person legally buys it and then invites the Vampire in? Who's preference takes precedent?
That is yet to be decided in the courtroom of sitcom based on that exact premise.
A lot of people here are telling you that the answer is 'no' because the vampires must respect your true intent or rely on trickery to get you to willfully invite them in.
But the real reason is 'no' because vampires aren't real.
Answering the question necessitates engaging with the premise. Refusing to do so and acting smug just makes you look like a dick.
Sure Mr Suspiciously Pale Human, whatever you say, you still can't come in even if vampires don't exist.
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It seems to me that the wording itself is unimportant, but rather the intention. So I would imagine no
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No. It is magic so they would not be able to enter partway through an answer as doing so would make it clear that the vampire knew it was really a no.
They don't know until the third word, they only hypothesize it's a no.
If they are magically forbidden to enter without permission, but also don't know every language or phrasing of 'come on in', then there is a magical way to know intent without needing to hear all the words.
Otherwise they wouldn't be able to work with nods and hand motions from people who cannot speak, shrugs and grunts from drunk college students, etc.
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No, vampires usually leave that sort of "exact words" trickery to faeries and genies.
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i guess not.
hollywood says vampires have to sparkly shine first.
some vamp lore says it is your invitation that counts and not the permission part.
some cultures need visitors to declare themselves human when knocking at your door.
some cultures need visitors to declare themselves human when knocking at your door.
I didn't think that much about it until this post. People here, me included, basically call out "(I'm a) human!" while knocking on the door.
Tao po?
Knock knock.
Who's there?
A human.
A human who?
A humangous 8 storey tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
I would say, no, because the same magic rule prompting the vampire to ask permission in the first place also requires the answer to be complete. Otherwise, why bother? They would dart inside even before you had a chance to say "you" with the excuse that since you were taking too long you probably were okay with it.
I wonder if the magic rule understands double negatives. If you tell a vampire "You ain't never coming in here," can they enter? What about sarcasm? "Oh yeah, I'm definitely inviting you in."
I suppose it depends on if you can write a fun story around either one. Since every rule about vampires that sticks basically only has one thing in common, the writing in which it was featured was popular. If what you write around it isn't very good, then no, I guess retroactively that isn't how vampires work. But if it becomes popular and part of peoples canon in the future, then yes, that is exactly how vampires work, now.
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