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Google search results are literally the only time I read Reddit content these days, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard. They're going to lose so many views if they block their content on Google.
True, but Google search is such garbage now that it would suffer quite a bit from not being able to present Reddit threads to answer questions. So not sure who'd be worse off here
It's a Lose-Lose situation. Reddit has a fetish for that...
Google can index other forums, like our own. Or stuff like Wikipedia. If Reddit doesn't want to be indexed by external search engines, then they gotta build their own or be unsearchable. Their existing search system is abysmal.
Reddit becoming unsearchable would really damage their usability as a forum site.
You can say that even if Reddit's value as a forum falls off, they kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, they can still sell access to their existing forum archives for AI training, but those have been archived and are downloadable online, at least up until early in this year. I mean, there are gonna be companies running AIs trained on that in jurisdictions that Reddit cannot sue them in and don't care about honoring US IP rights, like Russia.
Reddit has been trying to build a usable search since 2008. It's not happening.
The one thing Reddit is great for, and for which substitutes do not yet exist, is its crowdsourced information. Especially product reviews. And finding those from within Reddit is impossible because their search simply does not work.
Appending "Reddit" to a Google search remains the best first-past method for making certain kinds of decisions where you need concrete, good-quality answers. Even for that, it's a bit of a minefield. Especially post-mod-purge, a lot of the once-great enthusiast subs have gotten pretty blase. Still better than all those consumer advertorial "BEST OF 2024" lists that you find everywhere full of extremely mediocre and likely corrupt reviews, but nothing compared to the straightforward buying guides you used to find.
On top of that, the "new" sight is a million times less usable than old.reddit.com and search engines shoot you in through that terrifically terrible gateway to experience confusingly-organized and incomplete content. Orders of magnitude worse on mobile, too.
If Reddit is de-indexed, I'll simply never be there at this point. Though I admit, I'm already there extremely rarely.
Still better than all those consumer advertorial "BEST OF 2024" lists that you find everywhere full of extremely mediocre and likely corrupt reviews, but nothing compared to the straightforward buying guides you used to find.
The SEO spam that I find that Google is absolutely unable to filter out is all the AI-generated sites. They generally have a page with a long list of questions and poorly-generated answers.
It don't know if it's one company doing it at mass scale or if there are hordes of copycats, but it swamps Google search results these days.
I'm guessing with the API dead it's the only way to find content on Reddit anymore, too. I can't imagine the Reddit searches that worked weren't using the API, and Reddit's search is a dumpster fire.
Same but the nihilist in me wants them to do it anyways. Better to rip the bandaid off in one go than to deal with jumping through hoops for several years until they ultimately remove it from Google search anyway. With a clean break, we can start rebuilding that trove of knowledge somewhere else and hopefully not all in one place again.
Yeah. I only ever read reddit posts when they're about a technical issue I'm facing.
Besides, Reddit's search is crap. When I was on Reddit, I used to use Google to search posts.
Seriously. Searching google with site:reddit.com is a thing for a reason. Their on site search is atrocious.
Literally the single prominent technical problem that has spanned Reddit's entire life is the lack of a decent search engine. In general, people fell back to Google because Reddit's was abysmal.
So is Reddit gonna finally build something decent? Because if they don't let Google index them, and they disabled Pushshift access, it's gonna be hard to search the content.
I doubt Reddit builds a decent search engine, that doesn't actually help them at all.
If users can search, they find a previous post pertaining to what they want to see/know and they move on.
If there's no search, users can't find old posts or comments so they make new posts about a previously posted topic and more comments are made as other users react. That's more content, even if low quality from a user perspective, that shows engagement which can be sold to advertisers.
That's before considering the engineering effort it takes to make a good search engine, constantly fine tune that algorithm, and try to outpace those that are trying to game the search algorithm.
Did they improve their app after shutting down third party apps? I honestly don’t know but I’m thinking no and no to improving their search function.
Nope. I tried as a stopgap solution and it's basically unusable. Literally unusable: sometimes after opening it from a deeplink from Google, the app can't launch even after a force stop. It goes to a splash screen and calls itself "Popular" instead of Reddit, and the splash icon is some random community or user icon, and then crashes to home screen. No clearing cache gets you out of it, gotta clear data and sign in again. Not to mention, the horrible lag and slughishness.
They can't fix theirs so instead of competing fairly, they shut down the API so you have no other option.
Oh no that is a very bad idea. Google search is the only way to find things on reddit
This would be so fucking annoying, I don't use reddit day to day anymore but it's still a useful research tool when I see results from it on Google. I don't hate their search feature quite as much as some but I still don't want to use it most of the time.
This seems so dumb for them to do, I feel like having their content listed on search engines is s major advantage they have over Facebook et al.
that's literally the only reason i still end up visiting the site after I left it
Same, sometimes Google sends me to Reddit, it's the only visits they get from me
That sounds like something someone who has never tried to use reddit's own search would say.
Reddit might cut off Google and force users to log in to Reddit itself to read anything, if it can’t reach deals with generative AI companies to pay for its data.
On the one hand I really hope this happens. On the other hand, it would be devastating to the communities. But this shows how Reddit has the last say and can hold the content hostage on their platform. People need to stop using Reddit and switch to open and free alternatives, that is not controlled by a single entity / company. The problem is, there is lot of good legacy content and solutions that would be not available for most people searching the web.
But for the search engines who do not respect robot files, would still be able to index. Right? Ironically an AI could also write summaries...
Me to my little program for scraping some stories: "Hm, 'Ignore robots.txt'? Sure, let's do that by default please :D"
The only time I ever go onto Reddit is when I google something and it leads there
Reddit's big claim to fame is having results show up in Google searches. Removing it would probably hurt Reddit (and to some extent Google). I'm just hoping that enough content gets indexed by Google for Lemmy and similar sites, as the best content creators don't just reside on Reddit.
Dear Investors to Reddit's upcoming IPO
We have been making some exciting changes to ready the company for our public offering. Please read on for the exciting details.
First, we want to reassure investors that we've worked hard since June, 2023 to alienate our most active users, who have been cluttering Reddit with non-profitable, straightforward discussion and help for years, and ensure that users cannot access our platform with reliable, convenient smartphone apps.
And we know it's not enough to merely insult the people who have donated substantial parts of their lives to make our platform valuable; we're also planning for the future. As you may have recently heard, we're introducing a system to directly pay users who reliably produce the most attention-grabbing clickbait content. We are confident this will ensure that if those long-time users ever feel like returning, they will only find a hellscape of low-effort, reheated viral content and memes, accompanied by consistent, reliable comment sections of karma-farming bots and users.
But there's more! We today announce that search engine users eventually will not be able to locate anything on the site, consistent with the existing experience for current on-site Reddit users. We know that a curated, managed experience is what most reliably leads to happy investors, so rest assured, we will be slowly cutting off all avenues for users to direct their own experience on Reddit. Yay!
As the IPO day nears, remember: when we are finished only the worst content will be available by an audience who can't find us. Our core audience will be the users who remain trapped, Clockwork Orange-style, in an endless cycle of stimulation triggers structured to maximize ad viewing, in order to ensure our investors capture the maximum proportion of the site's rapidly diminishing value. In other words, get ready to maximize ARPU, investors!
With these changes, invest with confidence. With geniuses like us at the helm, you can be sure line goes up.
I don't think they can.
I was a reddit user for ages. Reddit search always sucked. Heck, Reddit could barely make their own data available to the users (which is why their user histories are so limited and why the GDPR takeouts take a week). Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, used external search engines.
Do they want to block external searches? Literally enshittify their shit further? Are they willing to hold back progress?
Just today I was thinking of Reddit Gold - back when I actually paid for it, the marketing spin was "you get to test new features before we add them to everyone else!" Literally none of the Gold features I've ever used made to the unwashed masses. I take it back, saving comments did.
So yeah, they will hold back progress. In fact, progress isn't on the cards. It's just regress. AND you can be a premium user and PAY for it.
Whelp with that I guess my leaving Reddit will go from 99% to 100%. Literally the only reason I’ve ever on that site is because I have a Google search result now. It was the last useful thing about it. Google has terrible results now and Reddit search is useless. They only work when together.
From people that don't use Reddit regularly, the only way they have ever heard about it is from Google results. So good luck with unloading a whole clip into your foot guys 🙄
Yeah that’s a bluff. Google searches surely make up a huge portion of their traffic.
Am I the only one that regularly used "search phrase site:reddit.com" on Google? It makes the search engine so much better.
Really bad idea to get rid of this feature.
Does Reddit not realise that their own internal search is so bad most people will search for answers on Reddit via Google. They're gonna shoot themselves hard-core in thd foot pulling that move.
And vice versa! Google search results are so terrible, but if you add “reddit” to the end you get a relevant community with a conversation almost always addressing literally the exact question you have. Both are pretty useless by theirselves (is that a word?) now, but together they’re actually really powerful. What a dumb move.
Weirdly, I read this as “Reddit doesn’t think it needs search engines,” and was confused about seeing everyone discussing Google specifically. That’s a bit stupid to try to block only the one search engine.
That reminds me. Should make double sure to blank all my comments, just the other day they banned me from another subreddit, seems like some are still re-opening, re-automodding, or whatever.
I've been googling my old username every now&then, and keep finding comments that the "forget me" tools didn't delete.
I see a lot of the Kagi shills crawling out of the woodwork here. I've been using SearXNG locally to query many free engines at no cost to me.
Just my two cents, but I think it's okay to suggest both. Everyone is capable of doing their own research and deciding for themselves what they like and don't like. I've never heard of SearXNG, but it looks really cool. May spin one up for myself.
Sounds like more gross incompetence from the Elon Musk playbook, whom spez idolizes because he's also an incompetent fucking bozo. Oh well, fools and their money and all that.
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