Please don't perpetuate this myth. He was tried, and found guilty, for falsifying business records to cover up payments that he made for purposes that many of his voters would find objectionable in order to hide that objectionable information from those voters to prevent them from making an informed decision and affecting an election.
Election interference and Fraud.
He is a literal, convicted, fraud.
It's really no different than saying Clinton got impeached for a blowjob.
He wasn't, it was perjury. Though I'd say that election interference is a bit more severe than lying about a beej.
Bush Jr should have been convicted for mass murder. Obama should have been convicted for drone strikes.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but at least those awful actions are plausibly covered as a presidential act made in the country’s interests. I’m not saying they were good for the US, just that they could argue that was the process.
Trump’s shit is all self-serving and against the interests of the United States.
Trump increased drone strikes 432%, so same there.
All ex American presidents in jail for war crimes?
Don't threaten us with a good time
I agree, but apparently presidents are immune from prosecution for anything done in office. I really hope that can get overturned, but it's the current state of the law.
Yeah, we know. That has no bearing on this case.
Linkerbaan is a shill. Look at their posts. The terrorists in the Kremlin pay them to get Trump elected.
It's for lying about paying hush money to a porn star.
Technically, it's for a combination of election fraud and falsifying business records.
But "paying hush money to a porn star" is definitely a sexier headline.
Aside from the sexier headline saying 2024 Trump business fraud trial doesn't narrow it down enough to know which case someone is talking about.
I've already mixed them up in my comments to great embarrassment. I just can't keep up with all of this felon's crimes.
Also incorrect. It's about fraud.
It is NOT for pushing money to a porn star. It is for marking the hush money as legal fees. That's ALL it is. They didn't even get him on the moral high ground, but nitpicked his books.
This country is so beyond fucked... Cannot even get basic details correct...
But the elevation to a felony is the important part. It's a felony because it's part of a conspiracy to illegally defraud the voters and affect the election.
It's a crime in furtherance of a more serious crime, which elevates its severity.
and it should be elevated clear to jail time at minimum, but it won't, because this country not only has no idea what justice is, but also has no idea how to literally defend itself from "threats within".
Election fraud
Al Capone was only able to be arrested for tax fraud, because it was very hard to prove he and not one of his lackeys. I think this akin to that
Actually, no.
It's for committing fraud while trying to hide these payments. It's tangentially related, sure, but it's not the reason why he was convicted.
Funnily enough though, I'd say this sounds like prostitution. Pay a girl after sex? If I do that I can go to jail, they should go for Donald Trump for that one.
And we got Al Capone on tax evasion instead of murder as well. So what?
Judge Meachum is explicitly on record saying he doesn't want to put Trump in prison.
Even past that, "we got Capone on tax evasion" is a more oblique way of saying "the local and state governments were too corrupt to successfully prosecute Capone, so we needed a federal department to get involved".
I would say the Capone case is ALSO a classic example of the deep flaws in the American justice system. Its just more focused on how wealthy crooks can manipulate local prosecutions.
I thought he just said he didn't want to put Trump in jail for contempt?
On Trump's tenth instance of contempt he said that he didn't want Trump to go to prison. I suspect the judge will issue the maximum fine allowed and no jail time.
I assume he meant jail for contempt, not no jail at all.
Though jailing trump will 100% put the judge's life in danger.
Jailing someone in the middle of a trial is a hugely disruptive delay. But now the trial is over, and the judge gets to count all ten counts of contempt (so far!) against Trump during sentencing. Trump has also been doing everything that a repentant defendant should not be doing, so even though it's his first offense, he might get some actual jail time. Not the max, but maybe a few months. Especially if he violates the gag order and goes after the judge of his family again. Or the jurors.
He's also got 2 other criminal trials being held up by SCOTUS and Judge Cannon, which includes charges of Insurrection, so there is that to think about.
It's for electorial fraud
I can never tell if these memes are astroturfing by monied interests/russian bots pretending to be progressives, if populism leads to the same brainwashed takes as the right, or if progressives are actually this dumb.
I consider myself a socialist and a progressive, and I understand that this was a case of defrauding electors and why the case was a felony. It’s not “paying hush money to a porn star”.
I can’t imagine someone on the right saying this in earnest, as they’d never care about Native Americans or any minority. Only thing I can think is that it’s the right trying to sow discord on the left by feigning moral outrage, or the populist progressives on the left being unable to understand how the world works at all. I honestly can’t tell who is making these brain dead memes.
Really? Was your truth social account broken so you transitioned to Lemmy to try to minimize this historic event? The obvious difference was the tangible personal responsibility here. Not to divorce responsibility for all the other stuff, but I'm confident even you realize how complex it was to convict your precious Trump for things he personally did with a trail of direct evidence. Putting one person in jail for things like war crimes is a whole different level of grey and frankly there aren't readily available systems built to deal consequences for this things like there are for personal fraud.
There not being systems built to deal with the big crimes is exactly what the post is complaining about, I think.
So, for an European who hasn't been following this: criminal conviction does not bar him from running for president?
The U.S. Constitution sets out three eligibility requirements for the presidency:
The person must be a natural-born citizen of the United States
At least 35 years old
A resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
There are no restrictions regarding criminal records.
which is actually good, because otherwise they could convict you for the pettiest shit or simply invent a law to convict you over, thus barring you from presidency when you haven't done anything that people dislike.
the problem now is that there's a large group of people who don't consider "being convicted of fraud" as a reason to stop voting for trump, and in fact will mos likely NEVER find any reason to stop voting for him or whoever the republicans put forward.
As a convicted felon and resident of Florida, though...he shouldn't be allowed to vote. How could you rub for an office you can't vote for?
Not allowing convicts to vote is itself ridiculous tbh
Shows what the priorities are in the us justice system.
The laws weren't really designed to hold leaders to account. It's just that Trump is more of a lying, workshy, petulant criminal than he is an effective leader.
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