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If I wanted Facebook shitposts and forwards from KlanMa, I’d’ve joined Facebook.

I want to connect and talk to people from the Metaverse (Facebook and Threads, is it called like that?) without using their account and applications. Meta connecting to Fediverse is a good move in my opinion and what the world needs (I'm not sarcastic at the moment). In fact, I wish every company in the world offering social media would connect to the Fediverse. We have builtin ways to block other instances if we don't like them. Hell even Reddit should do it...

Agreed.

Yes. I will never trust anything that Meta or anyone associated with it say. They can try to spin whatever bullshit they like with their PR speak, but fundamentally they are out to make money.

I’m not particularly worried about it. I can block them if they annoy me. And on the bright side, their large user base may help make the Fediverse mainstream enough to topple the tech giants.

How would they even extinguish a whole ecosystem of independent instances? What does that even look like?

They could very well make some feature or requirement and demand that every single ActivityPub instance uses their version to remain compatible...

...and instance hosts can just say no, fork it and keep going unbothered.

Even buying up some big Lemmies and Mastodons is not going to get them the whole Fediverse.

Is there a real problem there? One can always find an instance not federated with Meta.

Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!" to "They may mean well now but they'll turn evil later."

Lemmy users be like „I fucking love decentralized freedom“, until someone joins they don’t like.

No, especially when someone joins that we don't like. The ability to defederate is the freedom that comes with decentralisation. If there were no bad actors decentralisation wouldn't be so important.

I think you're conflating a couple things here.

Firstly, the notion that Lemmings are xenophobic is false. While there's evidence to support this claim, on closer inspection you'll see the issue isn't about embracing new platforms, but the type of platforms. This attitude goes beyond the Threadiverse and is in fact one of the fundamental attitudes of the fediverse, as exhibited with corporate instances getting fediblocked on mastodon.

To suggest that everyone is petty because they're not embracing corporations is a giant stretch.

Counter to the outright lie that's being peddled here is the excitement about NodeBB and its ActivityPub implementation.

Secondly, people hate Facebook and rightfully so.

Thirdly, BlueSky is still a corporation who, doesn't implement ActivityPub and have built a platform that pretends to give people power while hoarding all the real power for themselves.

It ain't about people they don't like, it's about a powerful corporation known to be abusive, psychologically manipulative and unafraid to break laws so long as it benefits them.

You wouldn't want such an entity under your roof either

Freedom doesn't mean tolerating racism and hatred.

It's not the freedom of federating. It's the freedom of being outside corpo.

If I wasn't trying to get away from Meta I wouldn't be on fucking lemmy I'd be on facebook. The whole point of me being here is I am trying to get away from them and other big tech platforms :)

You come to the fediverse for a reason.

That's the fundamental tension here.

The right to control your own posts, after posting, imposes an obligation on everyone who archives your posts to delete when you want them deleted.

For most of the internet, the balance is simply that a person who creates something doesn't get to control it after it gets distributed to the world. Search engines, archive tools, even individual users can easily save a copy, maybe host that copy for further distribution, maybe even remix and edit it (see every meme format that relies on modification of some original phrase, image, etc.).

Even private, end to end encrypted conversations are often logged by the other end. You can send me a message and I might screenshot it.

A lot of us active on the Internet in the 90's, participating in a lot of discussion around philosophical ideas like "information wants to be free" and "intellectual property is theft" and things like copyleft licenses (GPL), creative commons licensing, etc., wanted that to be the default vision for content created on the internet: freely distributed, never forgotten. Of course, that runs into tension with privacy rights (including the right to be forgotten), and possibly some appropriation concerns (independent artists not getting proper credit and attribution as something gets monetized). It's not that simple anymore, and the defaults need to be chosen with conscious decisionmaking, while anyone who chooses to go outside of those defaults should be able to do that in a way knowledgeable of what tradeoffs they're making.

It's quite disarming, isn't it?

But the nice happy guys coding the thing now are not the ones who are going to make the decisions later which will bring about the extend + extinguish phases, the ads, the crypto or whatever form the enshittification takes.

Well, the ones that federate with Meta will still be federated with those who don't. So it's really no different from what the Fediverse is already: Fragmented by design.