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Some fertility clinics and transport services are worried about shipping embryos following the Alabama Supreme Court's ruling that embryos are children.

Some fertility clinics and shipping services plan to hold off on sending frozen embryos from Alabama to other states as they weigh the legal implications of an Alabama court ruling that says embryos created through in vitro fertilization are children.

Many doctors and patients are confused about which elements of fertility treatment are restricted, following the Alabama Supreme Court decision last week, and at least three Alabama providers have paused IVF services. Some IVF patients have considered moving their embryos out of the state to continue the process elsewhere, only to learn that the option isn't available to them right now.

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[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago (3 children)

if you live in alabama the most important thing you can do in your life is leave. even if you have to sleep in your car for a summer while you settle in a safer less insane state. This is what I'd be doing I'd walk myself out if I had nothing,

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With due respect, that's really easy to say when you're not the one who would be homeless.

[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've been homeless so I at least broach this with empathy. Have you been homeless also? Is that how we qualify what we can say what?

Everything is easy to say btw. Except worstichire that ones tough to say

[–] Llewellyn@lemm.ee -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Even if that experience was tolerable for you, that doesn't mean it would be tolerable for others. To the hell with extremities.

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought that too but also wondered about people with kids or people $15,000+ into fertility treatments. Who these political shenanigans have the most immediate affect on.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I hope more and more health care providers start moving out of red states. Stupid games should have stupid prizes. A year or two of "pioneer medicine" might teach them to vote better.

(I know, they consistently vote against their own interests, but a few of them do learn to do better. Have seen it happen.)

There's a shortage of doctors and nurses everywhere. So almost anywhere they move to, they will be helping to alleviate suffering there. Let the red states fend for themselves, since they think they are rugged individuals.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Anytime something bad happens as a result of their voting habits they just blame Obama.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would rather more blue voters move to these red states and flip them. But you know, convincing 1 million of California's 40 million to move to Alabama is a tall order.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

As a blue voter in a red state (I grew up here) there’s a real problem with that of you have to live here. Also if Californians could please stop coming here actually that would be nice. California conservatives keep coming here and acting like it’s some great place where they can be super conservative and talk down to us midwestern yokels. Like motherfucker you moved to one of the bluest cities in the Midwest, it’s not our fault our state suffered brain drain and went red as a result, also quit with your Orange County bullshit.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago (4 children)

So... if you are in possession of a embryo and you're not the DNA donor for it and you ship it to another clinic across state lines, wouldn't that be child trafficking?

As we continue to go down this dark path, eventually the people who run healthcare facilities are going to have to set up their own underground railroad to escape the state before they're arrested doing basic healthcare activities.

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Not a lawyer but wouldn't it then be a federal issue?

It then depends on what the federal courts think about the embryo=child issue.

Maybe the state could still prosecute you for possible state crimes, but dunno

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 7 months ago

For God's sake don't take pictures of them.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

If you transport it across state lines with intent to implant it, is it transport a minor to another state for sex?

If you transport it and then don't use/destroy it, is it conspiracy to commit murder? Even if the "murder" is in another state, they can show the intent started in Alabama so you get the conspiracy fun.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I can see the owners of the clinics being personally liable financially

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

They could just say they’re shipping the embryos to Matt Gaetz because he wants to fuck ‘em.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is this fertility clinic licensed as a day care?

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Many of those embryos are old enough that they should be going to school. They're truant.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

How many embryos can I claim on my taxes?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Need two signatures, one from each parent, to cross state lines.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess we have to identify all the sperm donors and have them sign. Or pay child support.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

"Sir, you need to pay for the electricity bill of your freezer. It's not gonna freeze itself, you know!"

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don’t understand why they can’t continue the IVF - it’s the only way for the embryo to “grow” or “advance”. In a way, and using their logic, it’s denying them a chance at life.

What’s their intent? To keep them there forever, despite the intent of the parents who want to implant them?

[–] ech@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The state isn't (specifically) stopping it, the companies are. And can you really blame them when they're apparently facing manslaughter ~~charges~~convictions if a fuse blows?

*edited for accuracy

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Ah, I misunderstood. And no, I can’t blame them.