Providing HTML Content Using Htmx (postgrest.org)

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[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

htmx extends and generalizes the core idea of HTML as a hypertext, opening up many more possibilities directly within the language:

Ok...

Now any element, not just anchors and forms, can issue an HTTP request

Now any event, not just clicks or form submissions, can trigger requests

That's AJAX.

Now any HTTP verb, not just GET and POST, can be used

Is that a good thing?

Now any element, not just the entire window, can be the target for update by the request

That one is interesting... but kind of flies in the face of any adblockers or client-side content modifiers. What happens when the target for a response got removed from the DOM by the client?

PostgREST

Direct database access with no input sanitization?

Using database functions for running application logic? Every backend developer now needs to be a DBA?

What about error handling? Doesn't it expose too much of the internal structure?

provides a natural way to do API versioning

Hm... it sounds to me like all versioning inherits the caveats of schema migrations, am I missing something?

[-] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago

That's AJAX

Yes, and that's what is shown in this article.

... return HTML content and use the htmx library to handle the AJAX requests

htmx is not meant to do anything fancy that you can’t do with Ember/Angular/React/Vue/etc.

htmx is simpler though and has a few benefits as I see it, compared to those frameworks:

No duplication of data models and routing, and all business logic stays on the server-side where it belongs.
No build step, no dependency hell, and no outrageous churn; just include one JS file that browsers should be able to run indefinitely.

[-] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago

I feel like most of the things such as dependency hell and at least some amount of data models and routing can be resolved by using custom elements tho. I can agree to a certain point that HTMX could lead to a simple markup based approach, but it's still a matter of learning another library and all that junk. In a perfect world I feel like there should just be an equivalent to maybe the `` element that could on becoming visible makes an Http call to lazy load and plop in some inner HTML. I guess you'd still be missing the whole events driven by attributes part tho.

I don't know if I think this whole HTMX stuff is silly cause I'm jaded, or don't see a use case for it personally. So take my comment with a huge grain of salt.

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 6 months ago

PostgREST is pretty cool but I can never figure out a use case for it. You want something that's not too cold, doesn't interact with other systems, and it's worth it the additional security effort for configuring postgres.

I think people also widely misunderstand how it works, which doesn't help if course. It's not just a database you can access on the internet, there's a while bunch of security you set up first, and it uses the native row based security features to separate users' data.