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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 250 points 11 months ago (49 children)

Flaws:

  • fails to address leap years
  • fails to address 365th day
  • moon cycle will still slowly deviate
  • retains clunky 7-day week that doesn't interact will with decimal counting system

I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.

The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse's proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.

I've thought about this a lot

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 132 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Congratulations, you've successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all. Literally the only change is to add weeks. And yes, it did work really well, especially since the feast could add or lose a day to adjust to a known reference (the rise and fall of the Nile in their case). I second this proposal to go back.

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Our corporate overlords will want 8-day work-weeks. LOL

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah I'm only in if we get 3 days off per week.

[–] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 73 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No dammit, we want 3 days off in the current 7 day week cycle. 5 days off a 10 day week works for me. We ask for that, get negotiated down to 4 day weekends and it works.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

Fair enough, make it happen!

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[–] alldreadme@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
[–] huginn@feddit.it 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

5 Day Weekends!!!!!

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[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 19 points 11 months ago

Sounds a lot like the French Revolutionary Calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar#Months

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 50 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This meme brought to you by your local landlord

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[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I would like to believe in calendar reform as a goal. At the same time, I think calendars are one of the only pretty decent somewhat universal standards we have going for us, and if we changed it at all, you KNOW we would just be using two competing standards, not everyone would want to switch because people are stupid, so unless you forced it from the top down through technology, like a really advanced, shitty version of y2k, which would make people super pissed, I dunno if any of it would work.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (7 children)

It really annoys the hell out of me that we don't use a better calendar. I think about this once a week at least. I feel like being stuck with the Gregorian calendar is a good example of why so many inefficient structures exist in society - some assholes centuries ago decided on a thing, and out of habit and laziness we've stuck with it since.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 48 points 11 months ago (5 children)

just think of everything in terms of seconds from 1970 and itll all fall out

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I came up with this independently years ago. It'll never catch on for the idiotic reason that you can't subdivide 13 like you can 12. 13 is a prime number, while 12 can be divided easily by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 12 is like the whore of simple math.

[–] BigT54@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but that only matters for months. We could instead just use weeks since there are 52 weeks per year, so a quarter would be 13 weeks instead of 3 months. It would be easier to determine how many weeks there are in a span of a couple months because it's not variable, or any number of months because they're just multiples of 4. I know a lot of people would be turned off by the system because the number 13 comes up so often and people are superstitious but it really would make things easier imo.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The prime factors of 365 is 5 and 73, hence a month should either be 73 days and there should be 5 of them, or there should be 73 months with 5 days each.

Mathematical perfection!

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Problem here is there's actually 365.25 days in a year, the .25 is why we have leap years.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

Ok, thats fine, we'll just... The factors of 365.25 are: 487¹×3¹×2⁻²

Wait....

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem here is that 0.25 is actually an overestimate by about 3 in every 400 years. That's why we don't have leap years on every hundredth year, but we do have them again every 400. (And, of course, you can get even more precise than that.)

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[–] Matcraftou@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is this true??? If so WHY THE F... ARE WR STILL USING THE CURRENT CALENDAR.

Honestly I would be all for a new calendar if this is true

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

The main hiccup is the system is off by a day. Some people "fix" this by saying the extra day should be "new years day" or something similar that exists outside the main calendar and doesn't have an actual date or day assigned to it. Personally I think that's kind of silly but it does work.

The second problem which to me is a much bigger problem, is he argues every month starting on Monday is a feature, I think it's a bug. The result of this is every date is the same day, every year. If you are born on a Wednesday, your birthday will always be on a Wednesday. I like it mixing up and getting to have your birthday on different days.

Also almost everyone will have a new birthday they have to learn and too many people would simply be unwilling to go along with that.

And all that is ignoring the monumental task of changing every computer system in the world.

Edit: also 13 is just kind of a rubbish number to work with and doesn't divide into anything nicely.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Excellent discussion actually.

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[–] vancent@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The issue is that 13 is not divisible by anything, so we can't split the year by halves or quarters like we do now.

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[–] SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (10 children)

But that's only 364 days. Which month gets the extra day, throwing the while thing off?

[–] Flambo@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

can we put the extra 30 hours on the end of each year as a formless blob of 'time off'?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On new years eve at midnight we stop the clocks for 1.24 days, then start them again.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (12 children)

The thirteen month calendar is called the International Fixed Calendar. George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company back in 1928, and it was used there until 1989.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I just wish the Earth turned a little slower so a year has 360 days and each day gives you a clean one degree of angular movement (or we defined a full revolution around an axis as 365 degrees since 360 is arbitrary too as far as math is concerned. Actually, anyone know why we didn't do that?)

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 36 points 11 months ago (4 children)

360 isn't as arbitrary as you think and was chosen specifically for its divisibilty. 365 doesn't divide well by much of anything.

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[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I just wish the Earth turned a little slower

Good news, all you have to do is wait...several billion years!

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (12 children)

I just thought of something that could be better,

Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn't really a reason why we need months specifically, if it's to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number

Day/Week/Quarter/Year

Today's 7/8/4/23

[–] Candybar121@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I don't like how I have to write another / and number. As a human, I am lazy.

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[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Fun fact: this calendar exists and was in use by Eastman Kodak for most of its existence:

International Fixed Calendar

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The only authority I’ve seen that pushes 13 months is WMATA in DC, so they can charge you 13 times per year for a metro pass instead of 12. I always felt like that was some BS.

[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I like 10 months each with 6 weeks of 6 days each for a total of 360 days and a 5 day holiday at the end of every year (6 days during a leap year)

But Jesse really has opened my eyes to the possibility of a lunisolar calendar.

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[–] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 11 points 11 months ago

Lousy Smarch

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (11 children)

It's an incomplete explanation. You have New Year's Day as an intercalary day, essentially January 0th creating a 3 day weekend. It's either considered a Saturday or not assigned a day of the week at all. Leap days are either immediately after or inserted as June 0th the same way.

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