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[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 102 points 7 months ago

Friendly reminder that Thunderbird is a great way to handle multiple email accounts on the desktop.

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 27 points 7 months ago

There are no perfect desktop email clients, but Thunderbird is pretty great.

It's a little too powerful for my needs, so I stick to Claws.

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 11 points 7 months ago

I moved away from a desktop client for several years because of Thunderbird staying stuck in the 2010s, but the redesign brought me back into the fold. It's certainly overkill for scanning through subject lines, but compared to having five tabs open ...

[-] pbanj@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Bluemail is decent. But im still always looking for better.

[-] jaykay@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

Mailspring is pretty cool :)

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[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well might be, but doesn't Bluemail do the same thing as the new Outlook for their "instant push" feature? I don't see how else they'd accomplish that.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 2 points 7 months ago

Ain't that the truth.

Geary is so close to perfect but they depend on Gnome Online accounts which doesn't support O365 so I can use it for everything but my university email.

[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

But Thunderbird still doesn't support outlook calendar etc right?

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It does support any good calendar using CalDav standard.

[-] k_rol@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

I must say I'm quite pleased with it too. The previous time I tried it was in 2005 and it was just ok. I also recently found out about the Owl add-on. Really makes it a good alternative

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

I hate how they use quotes around the name Thunderbird...

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

It can even look great with the Monterail Dark 2 Add-On.

(For some reason I had to download it and then install it from the downloaded file, but it DOES work!)

Also available in a Full Dark mode version

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 57 points 7 months ago

What a clickbaity article. I'm all for exposing bad stuff but this article presents zero proof of it transferring passwords. It also fails to highlight the manner of how data voluntarily synced to MS is handled. All in all it doesn't do anything but trying to steer users to it's own services.

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 49 points 7 months ago

So reading another article (https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html )makes it more clear. If you consent to syncing IMAP account to outlook then it will transfer IMAP username password and mailserver config to Outlook.

I mean, they could have specified that your IMAP credentials would be synced, but it's redundant considering you're telling it to sync.

[-] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 18 points 7 months ago

I know, right? Jesus I hate bullshit tech "reporting" like this. This particular comment just smacks of outrage "journalism":

Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 26 points 7 months ago

To be fair, they aren't journalists. They're a privacy-centric mail provider that is warning their customers.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 11 points 7 months ago

It is very easy to find other sources making the same claim, such as this one which includes an image of allegedly posted json including passwords.

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Which I already posted before your reply.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 7 months ago

Nice timing. I don't see how warning you that your email passwords will be kept remotely by Microsoft would be "redundant." Many people will assume from that message that it would only send them all your mail, and the even more carelessly optimistic among us might guess that it would be end-to-end encrypted as it obviously should be.

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[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 7 months ago

I am so grateful I left Windows and move to Linux.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Best decision of my life... After initial set up, it works better than microshit whore OS. You pay but it does not love you.

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[-] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 7 months ago

Here here, best 6 years ever. Never looked back.

[-] dan@upvote.au 2 points 7 months ago

Outlook has nothing to do with the OS though? You can get the same Outlook app on MacOS too.

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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 33 points 7 months ago

It's ok Microsoft are very sorry you found out

[-] Slartibartfass@feddit.de 21 points 7 months ago

PSA: mailbox.org has a great, privacy focused email service.

[-] aes@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I went on a trawl on email security and privacy.

It doesn't fucking exist.

Regular mails w/e sure

But I'm never talking to someone via email again.

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[-] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 17 points 7 months ago

I don't know about sharing passwords, but I know that if you have an Exchange server on premises (meaning you have mailserver on your own infrastructure maybe somewhere in the building) because you don't want to have your data in the cloud - Outlook for mobile (both iOS and Android versions) has been sending all your data through M$ servers anyway, don't know for how long - quick search returned a 3 year old reference - imo much longer. There are "benefits" that I may be too dumb to understand:

On iOS you can go around and use the default "Mail.app". On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

[-] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 4 points 7 months ago

Have you tried Nine mail? https://www.9folders.com/en/index.html

It costs some money to continue using it/unlock all features, but that's a one time fee (assuming that it hasn't changed).

I can't use it anymore as IT has disabled all support for 3rd party mail apps. Was the best exchange mail app I ever found (it actually supports the categories using which I've organised my mail).

I (and my colleagues on iOS) have no choice but to use outlook mobile as the Apple mail app and everything else is blocked due to GDPR.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 7 months ago

On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

On Android, I use FairEmail which is a fantastic open-source app. However, it doesn't support any proprietary Microsoft stuff. For my work email, I use Nine, which works well.

[-] utg@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

The old outlook was just perfect, the new one is positively abhorrent. I swear if they force one more app to me I'm going to purposefully stop using it altogether

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[-] ram@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago

I don't see how this is any different from adding another e-mail account on gmail.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 13 points 7 months ago

The program it replaced didn't do this, hence the surprise. People would similarly surprised if K-9 mail upcoming replacement, Thunderbird mobile, suddenly store your password in the cloud.

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[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 11 points 7 months ago

Configuring local software vs delegating to a web service

[-] Meganium97@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

| Creates account with service provider

| Surprised when megically, service provider has password

I don't get it.

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 17 points 7 months ago

Using the Outlook client with a none-Outlook email shares the data with Microsoft. So, a bit surprising.

[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Service providers aren't actually supposed to know your password. Passwords should always be sent after hashing on client side. Only the hashes are matched on server side.

Edit: Not accurate, read replies.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago

nope hashing is usually done server-side.
also counter-intuitively server-side hashing is considered more secure than client side (in case of client side hashing hash becomes the password)

[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago

I'm not an expert in this, and I did look around after reading your comment. Looks like the password is usually sent as-is, then hashed server side, and matched against hashes in the database. So, the hashes are what's stored in their database. So, ideally, the server shouldn't know your password. Also, it can be hashed from client side too, but that becomes redundant since everything is tls encrypted anyway.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

Aw fuck. I accidentally opened it and it automatically upgraded to the new one. I barely ever use it though

[-] smokedclover@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

Mailbox.org doesn't allow you to sign up at this time. Is this.. getting teary eyes lemmy.. having impact on the webs?

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[-] sour@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

school requires outlook account ._.

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Use a different mail app, and use the outlook account.

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[-] sadreality@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

Should left once they start upload nudes into cloud 10 years ago

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