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Flatpak seems to be the best choice for consistency and to have it working straight out of the box. I think Linux currently needs this because we're getting a lot less tech-savvy Linux users nowadays. Don't get me wrong; package managers should still be used, but how are we going to get people to change if they run into package conflicts or accidentally uninstall a wrong package?

Personally I do like the ideas behind Snap/Flatpak. I think the sandboxing is a huge deal and will improve security going forward.

You hate people who spend hundreds of ours of their free time developing software, who then release that software for free, under no obligation to you or anyone else, and your reasoning is because they provide it in a packaging solution you don't find ideal?

Maybe fuck off and write your own software.

8GB SSD

There’s your problem. The last time 8GB was plenty was in 1998.

Oh lmao, I decided to look into this. https://github.com/flathub/com.ktechpit.torrhunt/blob/master/com.ktechpit.torrhunt.yaml

Looks like it just downloads the .snap package (directly from Canonical's website) and extracts it. It's also, of course, completely closed source so who knows what it's doing when it's running.

Compile it yourself?

did you see those little < in front of the download sizes? org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita, org.kdePlatform.Locale, org.kde.Platform and com.ktechpit.torrhunt won't be fully downloaded as those are possibly already installed and can be reused, so in the best case you only download org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-570-86-16 fully.

Flatpaks implement deduping, so they actually don't take that much space when installed.

I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD

I think I found your real problem.

I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD

Are you using a first gen eeePC?
I think I bought one of those for 40€, 12 years ago.

Yeah flatpak won't work on my Nokia 3310 either, what a shit software...

Edit: if you upvoted this comment, your kneecaps pop when you pick up things from the ground

2TB?

I only see around 500mb

Why the hell do you only have 8GB? Are you trying to install flatpaks on a smart fridge?

its barely legible but isnt that still less than a gb? where you you even get an 8gb ssd? why would you use one outside of some specialized embedded application that shouldn't even have a desktop interface? and even then why not something lighter than kde or gnome

Hope you don't find out about Snaps

Cut the crap. Flatpak uses hardlink from repo where file names are jash of the file itself. The chance of duplication is exactly same as that of duplicate files of same name in same directory.

Flatpak repo grows because we trade uncertainty over abi stability with installing all needed versions of libraries. For abi incompatible builds you could already do that in many distros (versioned soname) but to a lesser extent.

Also I usually do not install nvidia GL with flatpaks that I won't run on nvidia on hybrid gpu laptops anyway for energy reasons.

Yes absolutely true, but also no.

https://gitlab.com/TheEvilSkeleton/flatpak-dedup-checker

For me it is 32GB of data with deduplication, and only like 25GB with BTRFS compression.

So while still way too much, not really a problem if you have a reasonable 50mbits+ internet connection and a 200GB+ SSD

There should still be waay more force. There should only be one runtime (FDO) and KDE and GNOME being extensions to that. Not sure if these perfectly dedupe though

There's very good reasons that app developers focus on flatpaks, which mostly revolves around how incredibly terrible the experience is creating native packages for each distro and each release version of those various distros.

Flatpak used to be problematic, but even a loud hater of Flatpak, Richard Brown of openSUSE, now lauds Flatpak as an excellent solution after his criticisms were addressed.

"maybe a software being excessively bloated isn't a good thing"

"just buy more storage bro"

B*tch. i live in a third world country, with limited internet and data plan, and also is still a student. If i can just buy more storage and better hardware i will.

Lol kinda wild to me seeing flatpak hate as a new Linux user (running fedora with kde). Flatpaks have just worked for me and it's been fantastic

I'm coming back to Linux after a hiatus. I've spent most of my time with the Debian flavors. Not afraid of the command line, but not an expert either.

I'm trying out Bluefin right now, semi-immutable atomic os based on silverblue, based on Fedora.

On normal installs, I usually change and install enough stuff, that when it comes time to upgrade to the next os version, I'm sometimes not able to without introducing instability or it outright falling. The former more common than the latter.

Let's just say I got used to reinstalling and starting from scratch, especially if I experimented too hard and broke something big like my DE or drivers.

So with bluefin I'm hoping to leave everything that's core, alone. I'm trying to rely on flatpaks, app images, and distrobox for everything else.

So far so successful. I've only got a couple minor gripes, some limitations of flatpaks. But I've also only been at it for like a week, so we'll see.

I guess my point is, flatpaks have a place 🤷‍♂️

People bitching about Flatpaks don't understand that they have dedupe built in. You're literally not using any more space and it's easier for app developers to deploy.

Try using Snaps sometime, if you want something to actually bitch about.

No problem, just makr sure your system has the exact version of libraries the application needs. And oh, you will only update those dependencies when the application update updates the requirements.

Oh what's that? Another application you want to install uses the same lib but different version? Tough luck, chump!

Seriously it's either flatpaks or the multi-version dependency management that openSUSE has, and you're not saving much more space here either.

flatpak install/update <package name> --no-related

there problem solved

Just build from source

Then just unpack said flatpak, there are tools for that.

So maybe use Debian and compile the app yourself instead? The Dev made something free with their time, use your time to make it work for you.

Alternatively though, if an app has KDE library dependencies for example, it's kinda nice to not have to install a whole other desktop system wide.

I absolutely hate all this container shit, for my uses. That said, they make sense when you need to sandbox applications for whatever reason, but most of those uses seem like they would be better served with VMs.

I actually like flatpak. The only issues I have are with GTK apps which I try not to use anymore.

I liked Snaps and Flatpaks fine when I first started using Linux, and the distro I was on treated them the same as software in the repo, but I eventually started to avoid them because of the space they take up, and because I got tired of constantly having to mess around with permissions to try to get things working. Now, if something isn't available in rpm, I use AppImage or a tarball, or compile it myself.