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2 Oregon men die from exposure in a forest after they went out to look for Sasquatch (www.nbcnews.com)
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Summary

Two Oregon men, aged 59 and 37, were found dead from exposure in Washington State’s Gifford Pinchot National Forest after failing to return from a Christmas Eve trip to search for Sasquatch.

The Skamania County Sheriff’s Office attributed their deaths to harsh weather and lack of preparedness.

A family member reported them missing early Christmas Day, prompting a three-day search involving 60 volunteers, drones, canines, and Coast Guard infrared technology.

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[–] draughtcyclist@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I grew up backpacking those woods. December is dangerous even for experienced outdoorsmen. I'm going to guess they were not dressed appropriately, and didn't have any means of navigation outside of cell phones. There is zero cell service in the area. It's very easy to get turned around even with navigation there.

Be prepared and know what you're getting into before you go off the grid folks.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's insane to me how many people just grab their phone and think "I'm good to go on an all day woodland adventure!" with no water, no food, clothing for an afternoon at the mall, and not even a backup battery for their phone.

I've actually packed extra clothes for someonein my bag specifically because I knew they were going to regret shorts and half a t-shirt. Cue 2 hours later they're complaining about being cold when we're in the valleys...

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Like fuck, it can get damn chilly at night in the mendocino forests in June the wrong years. I don't want to imagine how fucking cold it feels in actual winter a few hundred miles north

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you save the maps offline you can navigate without cell service.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I don't have a data plan, so my maps are always downloaded!

[–] winkly@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Exposure to…. Sasquatch!! 😱

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yea, it's all a cover up. I know the real killer was a samsquanch.

/s cause people might think I'm serious...

[–] mercphilby@discuss.online 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A cautionary tale completely ignored is the American way ;)

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The time has come, the song is over,
thought I'd something more to say 🎶

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

They should have taken 30 bagged lunches

[–] Superfool@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Grindr sound

"Uhh, Honey? I'm just going to have a quick walk to... err... look for a Yeti."

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago

That explains the assless chaps. If you dont want to die from exposure, you gotta put up with the inconvienece of lowering your trousers

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Some of my wife's family are Bigfoot believers and she has a masters in folklore, so she went with them to a Bigfoot convention earlier this year. I don't tell her what to do by any means, but I did tell her I was really against the idea because she's giving money to people (i.e. the people charging admission to the convention) who are exploiting those who might have serious mental illnesses or will end up doing something really stupid because of something they heard at the convention.

And this sort of thing is exactly why.

Do not promote mythology and folktales as reality because some people end up going way too far assuming they'll be the ones to prove it. Anyway, they're just fine as mythology and folktales, which is why very few people go out looking for centaurs and bottled djinn. Yes, mythology and folktales can be based on reality. But you need more than that to go on.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These guys could have also died going on a regular hike, a hunting trip or any other reason to go into the woods. The bigger issue here is they weren't prepared for the weather conditions they were outside in, that should be the bigger focus on preventing this kind of death in the future. Even if i don't believe in bigfoot, I could i injure my ankle cross country skiing and still die to hypothermia if I wasn't prepared.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Inexperienced people wouldn't go out into the woods in bad weather conditions looking for Bigfoot if they didn't think there was a Bigfoot in the first place. So they wouldn't have been going into the woods for another reason. Not right now.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Inexperienced people find lots of reasons to go into the woods. Drunken bonfires, chasing lost dogs, trying to be healthier by going for walks. Blaming this soley on believing in bigfoot is a little unreasonable.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I'm not blaming it solely on anything. You're right, they find lots of reasons. Don't give them more.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Meh just let people have their fun and their beliefs. People die doing all sorts of stupid shit.

It’s not like they’re health quacks or chiropractors who actually take money and can hurt people. It’s not RFK causing an anti-vax measles outbreak.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's not them, it's the people who convince them.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s kinda like religion though right? Who is anyone to say it’s not true. It’s kind of mean to shit on what other people are into or what they choose to believe as long as they’re not hurting anyone else. There’s no evidence on the Bigfoot topic that we know of at the moment, but there are tons of scientific discoveries that happen. They didn’t know about Lyme disease until 1982.

Should beliefs be separated from state and science decisions - absolutely.

The paranormal is interesting to think about and discuss. There are grifters but there are grifters everywhere, no matter what topic you’re interested in. These guys took it too far but hey that’s humanity for ya - people also die from autoerotic asphyxiation, bungee jumping, and free solo climbing, none of which I’m interested in pursuing for myself.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It’s kind of mean to shit on what other people are into or what they choose to believe as long as they’re not hurting anyone else.

The people who push books and TV shows and stuff to convince others that Bigfoot exists are absolutely hurting others. This is literally the evidence of that. Unlike the total lack of evidence for Bigfoot. That didn't stop Animal Planet from running a show called "Finding Bigfoot" for nine seasons.

I have no idea why you think they aren't hurting anyone. Do you think these guys wouldn't have died if all that media wasn't made available to them (for a profit)?

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think we can go down a really deep hole of all of the dumb shit that people die from because they believed something false that was sold for a profit. Apart from what we as a society have agreed upon as the most abhorrent opinions/beliefs and have legislatively banned, I’m really not comfortable with branding media or books as dangerous (see all the book banning nonsense going on in the US).

No matter what way you slice it - it’s their choice isn’t it. Adults are allowed to do what they want, even if it’s fringe, and people can’t stop them.

People are allowed to express and sell points of view that I disagree with as long as they’re not inciting violence or directly causing harm to people. People are allowed to listen. I am only responsible for myself and my choices.

And just because these people made poor choices, it doesn’t mean that everyone into the topic would do the same. I think it’s less that they believed in Bigfoot and more that they were unprepared for the wilderness.

No one told them to go into the woods in the dead of winter. They weren’t on a paid wilderness tour. They chose this for themselves and got into trouble. It’s unfortunate that it happened at Christmas.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have no idea why you think I'm talking about the people who died here. I've tried to make it as clear as I could that I am talking about the people enabling them.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What I’m saying is: adults are responsible for what they believe.

No one can enable an adult to do anything. They are adults who make choices.

Who is anyone to tell people that they can’t publish a book or make a piece of media (as long as the topic is not illegal). That’s some authoritarian shit right there.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So then we should not criminally try people for scams and fraud? Bernie Madoff was innocent?

Also, who said anything about stopping anyone from publishing anything? Please do quote me.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

“The people who push books and TV shows and stuff to convince others…” would be the quote.

I think there’s a difference in liability sure. Financial pyramid schemes are where people choose to invest their money but then that money is misappropriated. The scammer takes money for a service and doesn’t do what they said they will do with it.

If I choose to bet my life’s savings on GME and purchase the shares then yeah that’s my own fault (as long as insider trading / pump and dump on the other side has not occurred). No matter what people “pushed” me to believe (as long as this doesn’t cause violence or harm to others), the responsibility on following through with those beliefs is mine.

Just like I said if someone is leading a paid Bigfoot wilderness excursion into the woods then yes I think there could be an argument for their liability if people die on their tour. Just as there’s liability if people die skydiving or bungee jumping.

If someone tells me Bigfoot is out in the woods on Christmas Eve and as an adult I choose to believe them that is my choice, not theirs.

I’m just saying we have to be careful calling ideologies dangerous or saying that people are being “pushed” toward things - lots of people argue that LGBT and trans ideology is dangerous. I think they’re ridiculous bigots for saying that but we have freedom of expression in most western countries. If I want to be able to freely express my opinion, other people have to be able to freely express theirs.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

“The people who push books and TV shows and stuff to convince others…” would be the quote.

Where in that quote did I say they should be stopped? I don't see it, because I didn't say it. I didn't even read the rest of your post if you're going to just lie like that. I said no such thing.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey man it’s possible I could be misunderstanding your viewpoint but what I am hearing is: People are pushing beliefs that you think harm people.

My basic counterpoint to that is: No one forces anyone to believe anything. People are allowed to believe what they want.

If you believe harm is caused do you think anything should be done about it?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People are pushing beliefs that you think harm people.

Correct.

My basic counterpoint to that is: No one forces anyone to believe anything. People are allowed to believe what they want.

Therefore, all scams should be legal. This is based on your logic.

If you believe harm is caused do you think anything should be done about it?

That is very context-dependent.

Yet again, please quote me saying it should be stopped in this specific case. Either that or I'll just flag you for trolling and move on.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“Do not promote mythology or ideology as reality” implies that you’re saying it should be stopped.

I’m just saying this is a simple misunderstanding and I’m really trying to come to some understanding with honest debate - I’m not approaching this to troll, just to understand. Willing to let it go!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“Do not promote mythology or ideology as reality” implies that you’re saying it should be stopped.

That is not true. Stop lying about what I am saying. Repeatedly insisting I am saying it should be stopped doesn't make it true.

Do you really think any time anyone says "don't," they mean "this person needs to be stopped?" If I say to someone, "don't watch that movie, it's awful," am I saying they should be stopped from watching it? You really think that's what is being implied?

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My interpretation isn’t unreasonable. Saying ‘Do not promote mythology or ideology as reality’ sounds prescriptive, as though you’re making a strong recommendation about what people should or shouldn’t do, especially in the context of your initial comment (discouraging spending money on a Bigfoot convention). Thank you for clarifying that is not what you meant.

I think we’re still at an impasse in how we define scam, but that is ok.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I literally said in that initial comment:

Some of my wife’s family are Bigfoot believers and she has a masters in folklore, so she went with them to a Bigfoot convention earlier this year. I don’t tell her what to do by any means, but I did tell her I was really against the idea

You were just picking a fight with something you imagined I implied where I very clearly showed that I was not even trying to stop my wife paying money to those people.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah perhaps it is a good example of how people get their back up when their beliefs are criticized. I like Bigfoot and the paranormal and I don’t much appreciate it being called a scam. But I still don’t think you’re interpreting your comments and part in all of this as charitably as I have been on my side.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You won't get far with this guy, he loves getting into arguments with people for no reason at all.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“No troll, no troll, you’re the troll!!!” <- the audacity of this energy lol

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

I don't follow your point sorry

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The correct response here would have been, "I'm sorry for lying and putting words in your mouth."

and I don’t much appreciate it being called a scam.

Based on your assumptions about what I said, I should assume this means you want to stop me, correct?

[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's Christmas Eve. Don't you think you should be sitting at home waiting for Santa Claus, another mythological creature? And, what a waste of manpower and resources looking for them, on a holiday no less.

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Could have just let the Sasquatch look for them. There's a pretty good record of people being returned unharmed but with very vague memories.

what's the symbol for "sarcasm status uncertain"... /u?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's what happens when you expose yourself to Sasquatch.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

They weren't trying to... Well I guess you don't go looking for a yeti unless you want to fuck it

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It makes perfect sense! If Sasquatch can’t be found anywhere in California, he must be up in Oregon!

[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then why were they looking for him in the forests of Washington?

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 3 points 6 days ago

They couldn’t find him in Oregon either! Must have been in Washington!

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Darwin Award shortlist.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

This is what happens when you expose yourself to stupidity

[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Final nominees found for the 2024 Darwin Awards.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Darwin award?