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thereβs more than shown here and itβs more than just these users too π
if you find the thread donβt piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe donβt bring it back here i donβt want 400 notifications of entry level βis almond milk milkβ vegan discourse
"I've been sober all day." is my new comeback when someone insults my intelligence in an argument.
I like how the wording may imply that being sober that particular day might be in contrast to other days.
Transcribing the conversation here:
Recessa, β4 β1: That's completely idiotic, milk exist because there's demand for it.
commie, β1 β4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it's production?
friendlymessage, β3 β2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?
commie, β1 β3: do you think there's a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?
friendlymessage, β3: Are you fucking with me?
commie, β2 β3: no. I'm trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.
friendlymessage, β2 β1: Yeah, but they're not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there's no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don't have infinite resources
commie, β2 β2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.
friendlymessage, β3 β1: That... must be the dumbest discussion I've had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you're sober
commie, β1 β1: I've been sober all day.
friendlymessage, β1: Okay, whatever you say
commie, β1 β2: everything I've said is true. you're objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.
friendlymessage, β2: No, you're just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It's simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won't consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won't produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won't elaborate what your actual point is anyway.
Also, not that it matters, but you're arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.
There's a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don't call them that then they don't exist.
Obviously nobody drank milk in the USSR shitlib
My paternal grandmother, who claimed to milk 200 cows per day every day, would disagree.
Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.
politely raises hand
While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think "I only eat a little bit of meat" is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that's completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.
The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.
Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.
See:
So true. I'm not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very "suck it, libs" mindset.
The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy
Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat "from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they're hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs."
Aw man I fucked that up. My uncle has 40 cows on 3 acres that get hand scrubbed by figs while eating cherubs.
It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!
this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I'm pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that
Both of those people are morons. One for making the argument, the other for engaging in the argument.
Me, yesterday
Just went back to that thread. The discussion continued for 4 more hours after I stopped responding, and no, it did not go anywhere. That was definitely worth everyone's time
some rhetorical hills were not meant to be treaded, much less died upon
Reading that kinda hurts my brain
What's the causal link between that comment being created and your brain hurting? Brains have hurt since before comment sections existed.
You: hates milke because it is unethical
Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.
We are not the same
Vegan cat food
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