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This has to be against some kind of law right?

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Saw this on Sunday. I think it fits here...

[–] Fijxu@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

I always do this when I can't see a page. I also do it when they pop out a big box with text in the middle of the reading and if they also pop out a big box begging me to accept the cookies.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The website doesn't really care; they have hosting costs so if you're not paying with money or by accepting ads then to them you're worse than not visiting at all as you consume resources, so it's good if you leave?

So, it's win win. Good scenario.

[–] UxyIVrljPeRl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

but the offer has consumed resurces

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Sure, but people have memory and if you block people who aren't even going to contribute to the running costs of the site via the channels they provide, never mind profit, then from the site owners perspective it's pretty great if you recognise it as a site you don't want to visit as you likely won't come back

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

ublock origin has an annoyance list you have to manually enable, but it works wonders to get rid of those.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 week ago

Don’t worry, once they have your credit card number they’ll track you even more. At best you’ll get a £‎2.35 cheque from a class action lawsuit in seven years, assuming they ever even get caught.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

thank brexiters for that, it's illegal in eu

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remind me why we left again

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 week ago

To reduce regulations and taxes on rich people, mainly.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

no it's not, it's a loophole in the legislation that was actually first used and is still most popular in France?

[–] ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What a fantastic website not to visit

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just wanted to read one article, so i have to pay to reject cookies even though I'll probably never end up on that site again. What a fuckin joke!

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

It's the express, you're better off never reading a word they print

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Archive.is is your friend

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if you pay, you'll still be tracked.

Yeah, they’ll still collect your data and happily sell it as soon as your subscription ends. Also, this subscription would likely only cover first-party tracking. It wouldn’t cover things like a Facebook Like button being embedded in the site, which allows Facebook to track you.

[–] Mojeek@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

The Express? There's definitely a not-reading-it option

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now that's the real PrivacyPlus™

And it's free.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Never heard of consent-o-matic. I'm gonna have to check it out

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not really, it's just phrased differently to the usual signup pitch, they're putting in a middle ground between full "premium" subscribers (whatever that is) and public access with tracking and ad metrics.

Companies need revenue to operate. They get that revenue from advertising data and selling ad slots, or subscriptions. Whether they actually cease all tracking and ad metrics when you subscribe is something I'd doubt though, and that could be a case for the legal system if they didn't do what they claim.

Personally, this behaviour is the point where I would not consider the site to be valuable enough to bother with.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Wasn't it illegal to not let a user reject a cookie? In the EU at least

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

Moral of the story? Don't read the Express. To quote Dave Gorman, it's a crock of shit.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If the news is that important you'll find it elsewhere without this bs

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 10 points 1 week ago

You’re not missing much.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This has to be against some kind of law right?

Only in the EU.

Anyways I think that "pay or consent" model isn't that bad. You either pay with your data or your money. Seems fine to me though pay only would be better. Everyone is used to getting everything online for free. It has to change now imo. The internet isn't a bunch of hobby forum projects anymore. The price of running a popular website is big and idk if privacy-respecting ads can give enough profit at this point.

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can show ads without tracking and keeping users their right to privacy, right? I think it's different selling user data than having some ads on your website.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can but, as I said, it's much less profitable.

[–] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which brings us back to the real, underlying, problems with the prevalent model: greed and the concentration of wealth.

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

which is inherent to, and the express goal of a capitalist economic system.

[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Some people will find a way to abuse everything for ultra profit. Sadly it will never change.

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Have you heard of adblocking?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haven't these cookie paywalls been ruled illegal?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only in the EU apparently. Although, I could've sworn cookie paywalls were breaking some law

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

website exists for people born in the eu -> it has to comply with the gdpr

[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey that's a lot better than companies who asks you to pay and still share your data for profits

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No guarantee these guys won't

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, if you don't want to participate in the advertisement based monetization model, which you shouldn't, then the alternative to it is a subscription model.

these sites aren't free. we have the right to block advertising content and trackers on our browsers but that doesn't mean we have the right to block advertising while retaining no payment access.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Yep. I wish more services asked for a nominal fee and just skipped the ads and data harvesting. They don't make much per user anyway, so just let us pay the few cents directly and skip the bullshit.

[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago

Err, this payment doesn't block ads. It only switches off personalised ads. So, the user is still seeing ads, just not targeted ones. So the site is getting both user's money plus ad money. And technically, I am not sure how privacy preserving this is because you will still need to create an account which technically leaves you vulnerable to tracking.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

They want you to pay for the cost of the website you're accessing.
Which is reasonable.

And you can choose whether you want to pay with money or with your data.

[–] Echo5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Besides the point but are you able to get around it with internet archive?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Gets around it perfectly

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Is this related to the new laws in Europe? I remember seeing something about Facebook introducing a paid tier

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Either pay for an vpn and clear your cache and cookies constantly or pay directly to the advertisers.

Freedom isn’t free, there’s a hefty fuckin fee.

If you don’t kick in your buck-o-5 who will?