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"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 110 points 2 months ago (24 children)

I've never heard of a single person who has regretted wearing a helmet, yet people are still incredibly resistant to the idea.

I just don't get it.

I spoke with a guy, strong cycling supporter with influence in our local government. He made it clear that he views helmets are unnecessary "with safe cycling infrastructure."

While I get the logic, the reality is that a large number of crashes (reported as half) are single bike accidents with no involvement of another vehicle (i.e. car).

This is why, even when you look at the underreported stats from the Netherlands, cyclists have very high rates of head injuries. They don't wear helmets, have the gold-standard cycling infrastructure, yet crack their head open.

The point is, don't be stupid and just wear a damn helmet.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

One of the most absurd things I've gotten heavily downvoted for on reddit is for saying people should wear helmets no matter how good the cycling infrastructure is. Not that it should be mandated by law, but that it's simply the wise thing to do. Then people are like 'wELL I gUeSs YoU ShOUld THeN wEaR a HElmEt whiLE walKinG tOo'

Fine, then don't wear a helmet. It's not my head.

I didn't use to wear one when I was a kid either but nowdays it feels like driving without a seatbelt. Hell, I might even just take my bike for a test drive around the block after having done some adjustments on it and I still go grab my helmet first.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Not that it should be mandated by law, but that it's simply the wise thing to do. Then people are like 'wELL I gUeSs YoU ShOUld THeN wEaR a HElmEt whiLE walKinG tOo

I don't think people really understand just how devastating head injuries can be, and just how easy it is to get a tbi when on a surface as hard as concrete.

Even when doing something as simple as walking/running on wet concrete is deceptively dangerous. Every summer the trauma ward I work in has to deal with dozens of kids acquiring life altering tbi for doing something as mundane as running near a pool.

The ironic thing about bikers not wanting to wear helmets is that if you're not lucky, you'll end up being fit with a soft shell one at the hospital after you've bashed your head anyways. I've fit a bunch of people with orthopedic helmets for not wearing helmets over the years.

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[–] solarvector@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 months ago

I don't get their logic either. You can clip a rock and fall of your bicycle pretty easily at speed. TBI is no joke.

[–] 100@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

oh no never ask the dutch why they are not wearing helmets, the cyclists will send every excuse your way

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[–] dafo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I had only fallen once with my bike as an adult. I live in Sweden and our cycling infrastructure in my town is g r e a t. The problem was that it was spring, so all the gravel/sand which had been spread during the winter was now on bare asphalt. I turned left and while the wheel turned, the bike did not.

There ain't much good infrastructure can do about gravel on asphalt.

Thankfully I didn't hit my head as it would've surely been a pretty bad accident. Instead I just hit every single boney part on my left side.

[–] AJ1@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

safe cycling infrastructure does nothing to prevent you from having a sudden equipment failure and finding yourself going over the bars face-first, or from just being an uncoordinated idiot who wipes out for no reason and gets a closed head injury. I had a crank fail on my bike once, snapped in half in full sprint and I wiped badly. helmet did its job and I was thankful to have it, because there's no predicting stuff like that

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[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 79 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • Dress for the slide, not for the ride
  • ATGATT
  • Gray-haired riders don't get that way from luck

What others did I miss?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • If your helmet doesn't have a chin bar (full or modular), you don't care about your chin, teeth, or nose.
  • wrt ATGATT, most of that gear will reduce or avoid injury. A helmet will prevent your death.
  • If you don't wear earplugs - even with a helmet on - enjoy your tinnitus and/or hearing loss. This is from wind noise, not engine noise.
[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A friend of mine crashed her motorbike a few years ago and her face bounced off the road. Her chin bar flexed inwards so much that it broke her nose and chipped a front tooth.

She was furious that the helmet didn't protect her properly, until her husband who was riding behind her pointed out that she essentially landed face first at over 60mph, and that without the helmet, her face would have taken the full force of the landing.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 34 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that was probably a "anything less than a chin bar and you'd be super dead" incident.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (21 children)

If your helmet doesn’t have a chin bar (full or modular)

Modular helmets will not protect your face adequately in a crash. Even with a chin bar, the face part tends to open up when you hit the ground. If you value your face, get a good full-face helmet. I have an AGV K1; it's good, fairly lightweight, acceptably ventilated, and usually under $200. You don't need to get a Shoei or an Arai; any full-face helmet sold on e.g. Revzilla is going to be fine, as long as it fits.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just remember that ATGATT means helmet, jacket, pants, gloves, and boots, and all of them have to be intended and rated for riding.

Most "riding" jeans are trash, not worth the money you pay; they'll have a little bit of Kevlar lining, and maybe a hint of padding at the knees, but that's not going to help you significantly. Do yourself a solid and get some real riding pants that zip to your jacket, like RevIt!, or Dianese.

Leather costs more up front, and less in the long run. Textile apparel is usually destroyed in a crash, but leather is usually good for multiple drops. I've had four crashes (none hugely significant; partial tear to a rotator cuff on the last one); my jacket and pants look rough, but they're still perfectly fine for protection.

Pants and jacket should fit fairly closely; you don't want them moving around when you crash. Loose is not your friend in a crash. They should have CE1 or CE2 inserts at the knees, hips, coccyx, back, shoulders, and elbows. You may need to buy the inserts separately.

You can get pants and jackets used safely, as long as they're in good condition.

Get gloves with palm sliders. Replace gloves about annually if you put more than 5000 miles on your bike each year; the palms will wear thin, and protect less as they get used. Gauntlets will protect your wrists; I suggest them over shorties. How much are your hands worth to you? Spend that much on gloves. I've burned through multiple pairs of Alpinestars Supertech and Knox Handroid gloves, and I'm currently using Five RFX1; these are daily ride gloves for me. (Supertech gloves are nice, except the palm slider is aramid fabric instead of TPU. Is $500 a lot for gloves? Sure. It's about $15,000 less than reconstructive hand surgery though.)

Boots should protect your ankles; they should have some kind of armored cup there if they're leather.

Do not accept anything less than a full-face helmet. Just, don't. Never, ever, ever buy a used helmet. Never, ever, ever buy a helmet that isn't from a recognized brand, and from a reputable source. (Amazon is not a reputable source.) If a helmet seems too cheap to be true, do not buy it. Helmets are one-crash only; if your head touches the ground, replace the helmet.

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[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Please don't forgot to wear a helmet when riding on 4 wheelers or ATVs. I've seen far too many life changing injuries on those damn things. I forced my own brother to get a good helmet when he had one and it saved his life. He flipped the damn thing on top of him and only came out with a shattered wrist. His helmet cracked like an egg but his head was fine.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Please don't forgot to wear a helmet when riding on 4 wheelers or ATVs.

Also, just because it claims to be an all terrain vehicle doesn't make it true. I would avoid riding these in any wooded areas or on sloped or rough terrain while riding solo.

I work in a trauma ward that has an ATV season. I feel like the stigma of wearing helmets has reduced over the years, as I'm having to put less people in orthopedic helmets every year. However, there are just as many people getting crushed by their vehicles.

4 wheelers have a nasty habit of rolling and pinning their riders. If this happens and you're alone it can easily cripple or kill you. One of the more common severe injuries is having your leg pinned against the motor or exhaust and having your leg or arm slowly cooked to the point where they need to be amputated.

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I met a guy in middle school that got pinned under his dad's 4-Wheeler. If he'd not been alone, he could have easily been pulled out, but he was suffocated by the 4-wheeler. No traumatic injuries at all. Just slowly ran out of air.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, that's not an uncommon experience. For some reason a lot of parents who normally wouldn't leave their kids unsupervised with a 700 pound piece of industrial machinery, are completely okay with letting them operate and drive a 700 pound piece of equipment with virtually no safety features.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

When my kid was a kid he was riding around on one of those little 50cc quads. They don't go very fast, and he was just on flat, level, ground, so we didn't bother putting a helmet on him. My friend and I were standing there watching him, and chit chatting. My son started getting more daring, and gassing it through figure 8's and almost tipped the quad a couple times leaning the wrong way, so we decided that he should put a helmet on "just in case". A couple minutes later he flipped the quad and broke the face guard of the helmet in half. That would have been his jaw, had he not been wearing the helmet. So yes, even when you're going slow, and just diddling around on a quad, you should always wear your helmet.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Eat crayons, don't become crayons

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

Found the marine.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I know this. I used to ride. Got hit by a car swiping three lanes across traffic. They didn't care to look. My head whacked the pavement hard. Got road rash and a concussion. The helmet saved my life though.

Weirdly had PTSD after trying to ride again and dropped it like a bad habit. Helmets save lives, on bicycles too y'all. Just shocking to see how many folks on both motorcycles and bicycles that don't wear a helmet.

[–] lethargic_lemming@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

You kidding me? Not weird to have PTSD at all. Your conscious brain might have shrugged it off but your body remembers the whole "I could have died" feeling.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's a common experience after bad motorcycle crashes. Glad you're still with us!

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Fuck anyone who advocates against wearing a full-faced helmet. Fuck modular too, the kind moto cops wear that pop open... Cuz guess when they'll unfortunately pop open?

There's a fortnine video advocating against wearing armor, that kevlar alone would take care of abrasion injuries etc. You know what I like when I crash? Not getting pebbles embedded into my elbow or knee flesh.

Have fun, get there, and get old.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Former Motorcyclist here.

The guy I used to ride with died! Collided with a car. He flew off his bike and face first into a pole.

I was never friendly with him. He called me a pussy for wearing a full-faced helmet when we rode, while he was wearing a half-helmet that was like a WW2 replica on his harley. I was the youngest on the ride and he was lecturing me trying to teach me "his ways".

Well, he's a meat crayon now.

The people who are telling you to wear protection are still alive.

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[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

My friend had a minor head injury and his doctor advised him to wear a full face helmet whilst riding his bicycle. The cops pulled him over and he had to show them the note the doctor had written about it. I guess the concern is that if your face is obscured they can't track you down if you commit a crime? Still seems pretty dumb to me.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Cops are just nosy. No justification. They don't like people who look weird. That's how they're trained to think.

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[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 30 points 2 months ago (8 children)

We have laws which force people to wear helmets, and wear seat belts. These are common sense laws to prevent people from killing themselves. Nobody bats an eye.

This is the example I'd use during covid when people were complaining about masks being against their rights, even when it would protect them from being sick.

My guy, you're someone who wouldn't wear a helmet if the laws had only just changed to enforce them. You're a hazard to yourself.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are people who try to bypass those also, or cheat em. Usually for some personal comfort. One of my sisters was like this. She wasn't that tall, and complained the seat belt shoulder part was uncomfortable, so she'd either not wear it or put that part behind her.

Then someone swung into her lane causing her to rear end em (she was in a moving normal speed lane and they were backed up in an exit lane). Without the seat belt there, what instead slowed her movement forward was the steering wheel shattering her jaw. She's fine now, but a painful lesson that included reconstructive surgery.

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And does she wear a seat belt now?

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[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I would wear a full face one on my e-bike, but I'm worried about looking like a dork.

I guess an alive dork is better than a dead dork, huh?

[–] pickman_model@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Or a faceless dork.

[–] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

If you're riding a european pedelec (pedal assist) up to 25km/h, bike helmet should be fine, if you're riding electric motorcycle (25km/h+, accelerator) then maybe motorcycle helmet is more appropriate.

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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (5 children)

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No kidding, that’s my helmet after a slide at 100km/h

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Mine wasn't nearly as bad looking but I was going maybe 40, just some minor scratches. However, when I took off the chin bar I realized the anchor was close to torn out and there were spots in the EVA foam that cracked. Wearing a helmet saved me from a pretty nasty head injury or worse.

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[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Jesus, looks like a wolverine/Sandslash/moderately miffed cat took a serious dislike to you.

Glad you're still around.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This one is not mine, but I have been saved by a helmet before. Glad I'm still here too, thanks!

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Same. The side of the helmet looked like this. I'll never forget the sound or images of sliding half a block down the road on my helmet.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 25 points 2 months ago

Yeah, got one just like that.

Helmet means full face, fuck everything else.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago
[–] sxan@midwest.social 18 points 2 months ago

It wouldn't have gotten so scratched up if you'd have left it home. Jeez.

(J/K)

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 16 points 2 months ago

Cool but can I get another model? I feel like the white shit wouldn't be great for visibility

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Always wear an approved brain bucket and gear or become a road pizza.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 2 months ago

Don't forget leathers or some other full body protection, too. Dress for the slide, not the ride.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This breaks the rider's collarbone. (Still better than not having a face though)

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago

I thought it was just wrapped in plastic at first and was confused until I realized those were scratches on the front glass.

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