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Same rhetoric, policies, party, etc.

Would he even make it pass “grab em by the p****” in 2016?

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[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 149 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if DT was anyone else he would have been held with no bail for having 90+ pending felonies and having been convicted of 32 already. The fact that his passport has not been restricted is clear evidence that being "rich & famous" gets you different treatment.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (16 children)

There was a thing he said back in the early 2000s, and it was leaked around the 2016 election. He was talking about women, and said something to the effect of "When you're rich, and famous, they let you grab em by their pussy".

People at the time were angry that his views were that, but, honestly, that's the life he's lived. That's the life he knows as reality. WE see it as disgusting, because he's saying that women can be treated as sex objects, and that he's ok with that. He see's it as just the world we live in, because women approach him and treat THEMSELVES as sex objects. Those are the women that approach him, so that's the experience he has with women. Women who only want him for his money.

And now we see it even applies to the courts. Maybe we should still be mad at him for having those views, but also understand why he has those views, and start holding society accountable. Maybe we should be angry at parents who don't teach their daughters to have more self respect than to find some rich guy to bang for money.

Because at the end of the day, all trump is saying is "I get treated differently, because I'm rich."

And as angering as that is to hear....he's not wrong. He's just an asshole.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He was tried and found guilty of raping a woman.

She wasn't some sugarbaby coming on to him; she was going about her day and he decided that he could do what he wanted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

He also perved on teenage girls

https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-walks-in-miss-teen-usa-contestants-changing/

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He was tried and found guilty of raping a woman.

That's not true. He's never been convicted of a sex crime. "Found liable" in a civil court and "found guilty" in a criminal court are VASTLY different, and require VASTLY different standards of evidence.

It's important to be accurate.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

The judge found that Trump committed rape. The fact that he wasn't tried for that crime doesn't change the facts.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

I don't think those Miss America contenders asked him to get handsy

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

because women approach him and treat THEMSELVES as sex objects

That's some A+ victim blaming right there. E. Jean Carroll didn't do shit

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He see’s it as just the world we live in, because women approach him and treat THEMSELVES as sex objects. Those are the women that approach him, so that’s the experience he has with women. Women who only want him for his money.

...and what world are you living in that these women are approaching him at all? He had to get a financial arrangement to buy a marriage with Melania, a person who won't fucking touch him, and slaps away his hand when he tries to touch her. He had to pay a shitload of money to have a chance with Stormy Daniels, same with Karen McDougal, and he paid even more money to try to cover up that he did.

Trump is a rapist and the way he treats women is the way of a rapist. You're fucking deluding yourself if you think lots of attractive women have approached Donald Trump. Nearly every woman he has ever touched he has paid for the pleasure of doing so. Even when he has "grabbed women by the pussy" he pays through lawsuits. He just thinks that's the cost of being a gross rapist.

Literally the only woman I can think of off the top of my head who we have proof who has moved on Trump is Laura fucking Loomer who isn't exactly a beautiful woman, my dude.

I can't believe a bogus post arguing that Trump is more of a ladies man than a rapist has so many upvotes.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My post never said anything close to him being a ladies man. My post is that trump views women as transactional property, and that sex is something he gets for free because he's rich.

How did you read my post and think I was describing a ladies man??? His views are gross and a result of his experiences.

But your perspective just confuses me how you got 2 + 2 = potato.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

because women approach him and treat THEMSELVES as sex objects.

Maybe it's the victim blaming...

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It's not victim blaming because he's not referring to the same women you are. Like it or not, there are plenty of women (no one is saying it's all or most women, by the way) who will pursue rich men with the desire for a purely transactional "I'll fuck you so I can have your wealthy lifestyle and/or a part of your fame." They're perfectly content with that arrangement, as are said men.

Johnny Depp's girlfriends for decades have basically all been women in this category, even now that he's way past his prime aesthetically. The women accusing Trump of sexual impropriety are, obviously, NOT in this category.

Women are not a hivemind--different types of them can exist in the same society, you know.

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Everywhere I come across you, you're providing yet another example of your username being spot-fucking-on.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm like visa. I'm everywhere you want to be!

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[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

He wouldn't have made it this far in life

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago
[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, because his popularity with the cult of fools is primarily based on two things: 1. talking at a third grade level and 2. fear mongering about black and brown people.

I suppose you could add "appearing to be rich and successful" and some other ingredients in there. But I think the 2 mentioned are his biggest power sources by far.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Of course not.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I was gonna reply that Hermain Cain was probably the "Black Donald Trump", but I looked it up and Cain actually had success in his business ventures. He also was only married once.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

Are you kidding? One of the big attractions of Trump is to prove the shittiest white man can beat a qualified black woman.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. One of his core demographics is white supremacists.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You think the white supermacists would vote Kamala / Hillary / Biden rather than Kanye?

Another one of Trump's core demographics is the religious christians too, despite Trump not having a religious bone in his body.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

No, considering his followers are white supremacists.

No, but the idea that any random white guy could get away with what Trump gets away with is also laughable. Since 2016 there have been a million and one politicians trying to act Trumpian, and none of them enjoyed the nearly success Trump has.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, Trump seems to have this larger than life persona that has allowed him to escape scandal after scandal that would doom literally any other politician.

As a fun sidenote, look up DC Mayor Marion Barry. Dude made Trump look pedestrian.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

Impossible to say. He certainly wouldn't have been a real estate icon in the 80s and would probably not have been born a silver spoon trust fund baby.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

He would have been evicted from his dad’s properties

[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Who is Herman Cain? A black man who lost to Romney in the Republican primary. He was a tea party candidate who faced accusations of harrassment and infidelity. He also quoted a song from the Pokemon movie in speeches because he didn't realize it was not an original song by Donna Summer.

[–] chottomatte@lemdro.id 10 points 1 month ago

Aren't most of his current supporters racist enough to not support him if he was so ?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure anyone can explain the particular confluence of characteristics that makes TFG relatively immune from consequence. Change any one thing and he's suddenly not him, so he loses his unique appeal.

[–] pacology@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This 🔝

Berlusconi had a similar political appeal. After he exited politics, his party went to the biggest in Italy to insignificant.

It will be really difficult for someone to pick up the Republican Party and run with the same platform as DJT. Many have tried it (e.g. de santis) but none is able to have the same success.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This story is from when Trump was putting up Trump Tower. The biggest scandal that he used illegal immigrants to demolish the original building. He ended up havign to pay them over $1 million for the abuses.

The part of the story that made him anathema to the Manhattan elites was that he destroyed the building after promising to preserve it. It was considered one of the loveliest buildings in the city.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellisicky/2020/10/03/how-donald-trump-took-down-bonwit-teller-a-fifth-avenue-landmark/

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump initially avoided any comment about the Bonwit Teller artwork. But John Baron, a spokesperson with the Trump Organization, contacted the New York Daily News to discuss the situation. Baron informed the Daily News that “the merit of the stones was not great enough to justify the effort to save them.” Baron stated that the removal process could have set back Trump Tower’s construction timeline by two weeks. Baron also told the New York Times that he had no idea what happened to the ornate grillwork.
Long after Baron’s initial contact, the New York Daily News learned that John Baron was actually Donald Trump, in disguise.

WTF?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're just finding out about John Barron at this late date?

On the other hand, keeping track of all of Trump's lies and scandals is like trying to read Lord of the Rings while watching Avengers Endgame and listening to an audio book of Game of Thrones at the same time.

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not from the US and while, thanks to the internet, I probably know more about Trump's scandals and crimes than is necessary or reasonable for anyone only indirectly affected by his actions, I'm sure I've only scratched the surface. Especially since, as you said, you really have to put in an effort to keep track of all of them.

So I'm just observing from afar and constantly amazed by every new detail I stumble upon.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm a life long New Yorker who has seen all of his scandals in the local media [he's been trying to get his name in the papers since the 1980s] Back in the 1990s there was a local satire magazine called Spy. They ridiculed the pompous and Trump was a favorite target. They once wnated to find the cheapest person in the City.

They sent a few dozen rich folks checks for less than $2.00. Personal checks to home addresses. Most threw the checks away, but a few cashed them. The magazine kept sending checks in smaller and smaller amounts.

In the end, only Trump and an arms dealer cashed the last check. 13 cents. $0.13. Not enough to make a phone call.

I've literally never heard one good story about him.

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[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

His dad would have put him up for adoption. At best

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you have? No disrespect intended, it's a genuine question I earnestly implore each of us to answer to ourselves at the very least.

For variety, swap out "black" with any marginalized community of your choice: female, non-binary, undocumented alien, neurodivergent, actual human, etc.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

actual human, etc.

Magneto has entered the chat

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago

Would he even make it pass “grab em by the p****” in 2016?

Bill Cosby rapped celebs for decades my man...

Also, there a one thing "trumps" race and that's being a nepo baby....

Why is this hard for society to accept lol

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

He'd have evicted himself out of his own houses and then run an ad campaign to have himself executed for a murder he didn't commit long before he entered politics properly.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Not as a Republican.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

The current Lt. Governor of North Carolina is black and worse than Trump. Idk about the sexual assault stuff, but he's still an absolute piece of shit.

[–] circledsquare@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

According to Dave Chappelle's portrayal of Clayton Bigsby, probably not.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I don't think the klan votes black.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Everyone would be shocked and outaged. The only reason why Trump is successful is because people see him as one of them (for some reason).

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