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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago (4 children)

“That being said, I am happy to give up my right to vote as a trade for a significantly better quality of life. It’s cleaner, it’s safer. There’s more opportunity in mobility,” she said.

“There’s no one on this planet who could be that bad of a person that we need to assassinate just to keep them out of the presidency,” Christian said. “How radical the American culture and society is getting in its entirety is making me go, ‘I really need to get out of here.’”

Christian and Salah said they won’t be voting, and Do said she is still learning about the process for voting abroad right now.

“I think American politics is a joke,” Salah said. “I think we’re seeing that no matter which party is in power, no matter which face it is, it’s kind of the same system.”

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Ya, that's rough. That feels like a very immature take. The two parties are not the same, voting does matter, and I'd even argue that there are people so awful that assassination does make sense but I'm happy Trump survived because I think the Republican party would have been stronger without him.

I left the US, I'm between a millennial and gen z, and I left explicitly because I was worried about the future of the US and because moving abroad is akin to time traveling 20 years into the future. I have healthcare now, I live in a walkable city with great public transit, the crime rates are lower (although most places in the US aren't super violent, the probability of getting murdered goes way down when you leave), I have 6 weeks vacation, essentially unlimited sick time, and I'm not allowed to work overtime.

Both parties are not the same but if Democrats won in a landslide in every single election both state and federal in every chamber and every seat, how many years would it take to achieve all of those same things. I have no doubt these policies would happen with the right people in office, with radical change to the party they could even happen quickly and I believe it's what half the people want. But the two other outcomes are 50/50 with the parties and little gets done in a timely manner and worse the corrupt judges continue to error the system, or the Republicans win one big election just one more time and project 2025 starts getting a percent complete tracker and we slide back into the dark ages.

So I left. I believe if things go bad in the US historians will look at Trump's first victory as a period of brain drain from the country. But that's my two cents to go with this article.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“I think American politics is a joke,” Salah said. “I think we’re seeing that no matter which party is in power, no matter which face it is, it’s kind of the same system.”

Anyone who thinks only American politics are a joke is naive af, and needs to read more non-American news or history

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 11 points 1 month ago

As someone who personally knows someone like this, these people are the least knowledgeable about the outside world. They barely consume U.S. news, let alone international news. They don't know the politics of the green grass they're dreaming of, they don't want to learn another language, they don't even really want foreign jobs. They want a remote job in the U.S. so they can abuse the weaker economies abroad.

It's just such an incredible amount of ignorance and cowardice to me. As if the U.S. falling completely to fascism wouldn't impact them at all if they can simply walk away.

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[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Come to Finland, we are the happiest country, and we need more people.

Summer is full of mosquitoes and in winter you don't see sun at all.

Language is hard but English is well spoken. This adds complexity to getting citizenship, but you can get permanent residency by working here for five years, unless our xenophobic party doesn't increase that to eight years.

We are quiet people unless we are drunk.

Password in the border is pronouncing Sauna correctly (sau - na, not like soona, unless you are from Savo, where it is pronounced saana).

Edit: Here is a government site that lists jobs that you can apply as foreigners and move here with visa: https://www.workinfinland.com/en/

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Y'all don't want us. Hard as f to move there unless you have specialized experience

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Our population is at aging point were the large age groups are going to retire. If you can hold a wrench or use a computer, there is a work for you here.

Pay is of course 1/2 or 1/3 what it is in US, but because healthcare and education is totally free, it is pretty much the same.

Easiest way is to find a company that hires you first, because they can apply you for a working visa.

Here is a government site that list available jobs for foreigners: https://www.workinfinland.com/en/

There are open jobs like for chefs, electricians, nurses, coders, Santa's Elf (really, look it up) etc

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I understand you think that but I literally was applying for jobs for like 6 months early this year. Not even a single response. I'm a decent data engineer with like 4 years of solid experience and a graduate degree. Could've just been my fault not applying to the right places though for sure. Anyway thanks for that link!

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Got problem with your link:

Apparently there no jobs available.

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

You might need to wait for a second it to load, seems that they have coded it bit poorly that it shows that while it loads the results.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Quick question! I live in a town in the US that was heavily settled by Finnish people. Meaning saunas are kinda normal for the area and you see Finnish flags flying alongside the US ones.

Point is that I was told it's pronounced SOW-na. Sow pronounced like "OW." Is that true or are the Finnish-Americans fucking with me?

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It is correct, sow-na might be hard because not sure do people know how to pronounce sow (female pig) correctly :). Other maybe better example is of "sour" without the r, and adding "na" on the end.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtxq2qug7w

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[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Finland sounds exactly like Minnesota! I'mn

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nooooo please stay working two jobs to afford to live while also being a medical emergency away from being homeless

[–] msage@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

medical emergency away from being ~~homeless~~ criminal

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nooo please stay we want to profit from you

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is America, we will profit from them over there too.

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[–] DefiantBidet@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wait till they find out which 2 countries tax expats (Russia and US).... Leaving is still gonna cost ya.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Doesn't it cost to renounce your citizenship too?

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Yup, a boatload of money if you want to do it the official and proper way.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are they gonna do, send a debt collector to the consulate?

[–] Cyteseer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

It's moreso, unless that tax debt is paid, you're never coming back to the US. Of course, some will say they never will.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe not. It depends.

First, there is a long list of countries where you can deduct a lot of money from your salary if you pay tax in the other country. I think it's like $90 thousand dollars now? So if you make less than that you don't pay US taxes on top of your taxes where you are living.

Second, for basically the same list of countries you can deduct your taxes paid there from your US taxes.

The upshot is this only impacts countries the US empire doesn't deem worthy (I don't know which, sorry), or people who make a lot of money in low tax countries. I am told that both Switzerland and Japan fit that description.

So if you make $150k in Saudi Arabia then you'll end up paying US tax on most of that I think. 😄

The US system of taxing their citizens abroad is unfair, but people living abroad vote in the last place they lived in the US, so they don't have enough concentration of votes to matter. No politician is going to care if 0.02% of their constituents whine about unfair taxes when they have doners at home to appease.

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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

How can they move to another country? Countries aren't just taking whoever shows up. Even Americans have to bring something to the table. Doctor? Engineer? Ok. Barista? HVAC guy? LOL good luck. Gen Z hasn't figured out they're stuck here. Time to start fixing shit.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some countries like Geemany or Italy (some towns) will actually pay you a living wage if you are moving and are a professional, not much mind you, but enough to support you until you can up on your feet. There are other countries with similar programs but I don't remember right now.

EDIT: I forgot the thing with Spain. If you have citizenship with any latin american countries, they will give you a work visa there super easy and cheap. So if you are an American GenZ who's parents are Mexican, then you just got your Mexican citizenship thanks to a recent change in Mexico and can also apply to move to Spain.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For your skilled and educated workers, its very easy. Not to mention your neighbouring countries have experienced brain drain for an entire generation because of higher American salaries.

Prepare to experience brain drain as your best doctors, scientists and engineers easily move to other countries leaving you grasping to have enough people in critical areas.

This is one of the reasons the US excelled as a super power. Getting a constant import of the best and the brightest from around the world makes all your companies more successful and your army stronger and better equipped.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

60% of people under 30 didn't vote during the last election, the majority of them support the Democrats.

"We can't do anything to improve things at home, let's move somewhere else."

Fuck off, other countries aren't your consolation prize, fix your own shit.

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Do you have a source that those people leaving are the ones that didn't vote? I would guess that people who consider a measure as drastic as leaving your home country, would vote above average.

Furthermore, I would expect that mainly well-educated people are leaving the US, simply because it's much easier to get a work permit elsewhere. And high education typically also correlates with higher participation in elections.

I didn't have much time right now to a deeper research on these stand points. So if I'm wrong, I'd highly appreciate any sources.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

lol source is the OP’s article.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

once all the smart and hard working people are gone i will finally be able to get a job!

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

I imagine that means moving abroad is going to get even more expensive. Great

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The border will be closed and I'm not talking about people who want to get in..

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