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and how do I react next time they don't greet me?

I started working at this department 3 weeks ago. I went into the office I now work at, greeted 2 coworkers I've already worked with, they looked at me, said nothing, kept talking to themselves.

How am I supposed to interpret that?

To me this is disrespectful, maybe you disagree?

Then, as I was working, I saw both of them staring at me. What am I supposed to do when that happens? To me this signals hostility and passive aggressiveness.

I separate private life from personal one but even I know that the least you can do is to greet your coworkers, unless you want them to quit.

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 143 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lots of people are giving you good answers given the context you've provided in this post. However, I glanced at your post history and saw that recently you've had an outburst at another employee where you shouted at them. It's likely that your coworkers are looking out for themselves and trying to avoid setting you off by interacting with you as little as possible.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 56 points 1 month ago

Yea this is a huge bit of context left out by OP.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh wow, yeah. Leaving that out is a big red flag.

Look into The Missing Missing Reasons

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Thanks for posting that link the examples in it seem very relatable and informative.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Its come to my attention...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

meh, don't let them play mind games.

Bring in some donuts, keeps saying hi, don't let it get to you. Let your happiness outshine their standoffishness

The worst thing you can do is reciprocate that just lets them win.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

100% agree.

The best thing you can do is be nice to them and ignore passive aggression. Some ppl are not nice because they are scared and being defensive helps them, some are assholes, some are confused. Whatever it is, killing them with kindness actually works on a lot of people. The more you do it, the more people realize you are not faking your personality but this is just who you are, and they become more familiar with you.

If people don't react to your greetings, just walk as if they don't deserve your kindness, because it's true. Maybe someday they will.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t know about bringing donuts or the other reply about killing them with kindness. Both would be too much for someone like me.

Like, am I obligated to bring donuts now? Are we now caught up in a perpetual donut bringing cycle until it becomes the new normal and there’s donuts all the time?

And killing them with kindness is just overdoing it. I’d not feel comfortable.

Can we not just be courteous and decent to each other at this place of -work-? Don’t get me wrong. If you’re having a great day, tell me about it and share the joy. If you’re having a shitty day, I’ll be there to listen. But on the regular, let’s just not make each other miserable.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone bringing donuts to the office is making you miserable? It's just a suggested peace offering, if someone wants to show their willing to integrate into a new group, its not required.

Saying hello to everyone when you see them the first time each day is not a excessive amount of social load. If they don't respond back, that is fine. It shouldn't make anyone uncomfortable to be acknowledged.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You’re saying things that don’t match up with what I wrote. Not sure why that is.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t know about bringing donuts ..... Both would be too much for someone like me.

And killing them with kindness is just overdoing it. I’d not feel comfortable.

Can we not just be courteous and decent to each other at this place of -work-? Don’t get me wrong. If you’re having a great day, tell me about it and share the joy. If you’re having a shitty day, I’ll be there to listen. But on the regular, let’s just not make each other miserable.

Saying hello to people shouldn't make you miserable. Bringing donuts to the office shouldn't make you miserable either, nobody is expecting you to do it, but if you want to do it, it shouldn't make anyone feel bad either.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I’m saying not making each other miserable should be the norm. Being courteous and decent to each other should be the norm. Which includes greeting each other. No need to go overboard with donuts and the killing kind of kindness.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop caring. Seriously.

These people aren’t your friends. You just need to get along well enough to do your jobs without hating each other.

If they are so miserable that they can’t engage in simple social queues then it’s their problem. If they want to be friendly then be friendly. Otherwise fuck em. Move on.

If it were me I would stop greeting people. Stick to myself. Concentrate on what is important which is putting food on the table. Be cool with the people that are actually cool and leave the rest to be miserable.

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just remember that you all are cogs in the machine, and also nobody owes you anything - including a greeting.

My guess is your workplace has a low personal life/low banter culture or even policy. If thats the case, you may be talking to people who know this and dont want to get in trouble, or to people whose souls are crushed and theres no life behind their eyes.

Don't take it personal.

I've worked in both kinds of environments. I prefer high banter/high friendship environments but i work fine in either.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We are all ghosts driving bone mech suits covered in flesh armor. Our only knowledge of the universe is our own interpretation of the data provided by our input sensors. In other words, we can only experience the life in our own heads. You do not know what life others lead, what experiences they navigate or what they think of you. Odds are great that your existence does not really carry much weight to them because they are busy and primarily concerned with the existence they deal with. You are the main character in your story, nobody else's.

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In other words; You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you,

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

I cannot definitively know that you, or anything else exists. I am stuck within the context of my interpretations of the data at hand and even that data cannot be considered beyond refute. So, if I am stuck in this "simulation", then how I interpret and interact with the "simulation" is up to me.

OP interprets a lack of response as a slight. Maybe it is. Maybe those people cannot stand OP. Maybe those people only heard a mumble coming from the general vicinity of OP. Maybe those people were having an all consuming conversation that OP's presence could not disrupt. Whatever. Ultimately tje only that matters is how much weight OP gives to that set of input data because no matter what anyone does, nothing can truly interact directly with OP.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You must be from one of those sociable states/cultures. Where I'm from you get to work, drop a passing "hey" or head nod, maybe a "how are ya" if you don't hate each other, and then get in with your work. It's not rude; they're your coworkers, not your friends, after all.

[–] clark@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

New England 😆

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was once at a party and I was trying to introduce myself to this person. I put my hand out to shake theirs and they fold there arms up and look away and say hello. How rude. I say what's up? They, not making eye contact arms folded, 'Nothing'.

I leave this weird game this person is playing fairly annoyed.

I walk over to a friend, who's this person who won't even look at me? 'Oh that's Tim, he's blind.'

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

Well, could have been worse.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you previously annoyed them in some way, or had a disagreement?

Were they in the middle of a proper conversation and might’ve felt like you butted in with a greeting?

It sounds odd. I’d have a think about whether you’ve previously annoyed them in some way, but if not then they might just be grumpy. In which case there’s nothing to worry about, and you just do you.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

OP's last post is about shouting at someone who they felt was acting like they were their manager but wasn't, then feeling upset that no one asked for their side of the story.

There's more going on here.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I went into the office I now work at, greeted 2 coworkers I've already worked with, they looked at me, said nothing, kept talking to themselves.

How am I supposed to interpret that?

I think you should interpret it exactly how it sounds like

It may or may not be fair. Personally, with a very few exceptions, I dislike coworkers and want few interactions with them whether positive or negative. I just don't care. But regardless of that, your coworkers are there because they have to be, and if they've decided they don't want to interact with you and are now letting you know, that is their option, whether it's fair or not.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are they talking to themselves? Are they busy and don't want to be distracted?

Or do you mean two people were talking amongst themselves?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

Why even be offended by such a small thing? What's even the point of greeting though? I can see it makes sense when you want to talk to someone. The "hey", "hello" or whatever can work to grab attention and they can acknowledge that by responding back as opposed to immediately talking and the other person missing part of or the entire first sentence, if not more.

But otherwise, there's a good chance it's distracting or even distressing.

I usually try to greet back unless it's awkwardly late because I didn't expect it, as such it caught me off guard and I was thinking what I am supposed to do and what they want from me for too long.
But this generally makes me forget what I was just thinking of or what I was doing and makes me anxious. Then I may even be thinking of how I handled that for the next few minutes. I hate that.

Don't get me wrong, I am not mad people for greeting me, I know they just do that, but I'd rather not them do it. And as such I won't greet anyone either unless I need to talk to them. I don't want to cause same issues to others only to say "Hi".

they looked at me, said nothing, kept talking to themselves.

Yep. Sounds familiar. "Am I supposed to say something? I am paying attention, I am looking at you. Go on. Oh, nothing, OK..."

[–] 0x01@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

None of us are in your shoes so it's really tough to say what your coworkers' motivations are, but at the end of the day you are yourself, you are in charge of your mental and physical well-being. When someone else does something minor and it affects you strongly it's time to stop thinking about them and start thinking about what's happening in your own body.

Unfortunately your emotions, like being offended, aren't entirely in your control. There are a lot of brain connections rustling around up in your noggin that don't pass through the filter of your consciousness.

The best advice I can offer is to redirect yourself when you start to get offended. Pick a favorite topic, something that you like to think about often, and "switch" to it when you feel yourself getting triggered.

As for how you should act when you aren't greeted directly? I see no reason for you to change your behavior, just act as though nothing happened, because nothing did happen

[–] clark@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

Like others have said, don't think too much about it. It's really not that big of a deal to greet your colleagues. If you insist on doing so anyway, do it because you want to, not because you expect something in return.

[–] Delphinium@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Fuckem. Say gmornin' and keep moving, they probably suck anyway if they can't muster up the decency to reply.

even I know that the least you can do is to greet your coworkers

Greeting coworkers is definitely not obligatory, and neither is responding to a nothing greeting. It's unlikely there's any hostility or passive aggressiveness.

It's a ritual you're used to. It doesn't mean it's one they're obligated to reciprocate.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

People are making some good points about cultural background differences and asking whether you have history already.

Others say, keep doing what you do and don't let them get to you. I want to jump on that bandwagon, this is going to sound silly cringe but...

... greeting in a polite, confident and friendly manner asserts social dominance. You have no fear. You are the initiator; you take the lead. Be that person.

[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Maybe they are hungover and hate working

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

If this was a single occurrence, I'd try not to read too much into it. Maybe they were discussing something private and got all weird when interrupted. Maybe the greeting was non-verbal and you missed the cue. If it's the beginning of the day, they might not be all awake yet, I dunno.

But if it's a pattern, or this ever happens and it bothers you, you can try to make the most of it. Imagine they wished you their fondest greetings in a Muppets style voice. It costs you nothing and you can't change anyone else's behaviour anyway, might as well do something to put a smile on your face.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Is it possible that they greeted you nonverbally since they were already in a conversation?

Don't let it get to you. They'll come around if you keep up the positive vibes. You're also new, so you'll be learning the behaviors of people you barely know. It's also possible that these folks are quite friendly, but maintain a strict focus when they aren't taking a break. There are a million different reasons why they didn't verbally respond, so don't take it personally.

The way I greet people at work is a basic "hey" and wave as I walk by, if they don't seem too busy. If they respond I hear it, if they wave I'll hopefully see it, and if they do nothing then I've already walked past them.

[–] lmaydev@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Your options are essentially to deal with it or ask them what's up.

Personally I wouldn't waste time with co-workers who are being rude.

They could be jealous of your position for some reason or taken offense to something random you did. They may just be assholes.

At the end of the day you're there to work and if it doesn't affect that I wouldn't bother.

If they are increasingly hostile maybe have a quiet word with HR.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Yes this is disrespectful.

My advice would be to stop greeting them until they notice you. Occasionally try again, but not every day.

both of them staring at me. What am I supposed to do when that happens?

In this case, you say "what is it?" to them. If they continue to stare at you wordlessly, you may escalate slowly to either violence or a report to authority.

Whether you decide to self-handle it or have authority handle it, if they continue to stare wordlessly at you as you try to communicate with them, you escalate to the point where it forces them to move.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 1 points 1 month ago

Greet them first. Move on with your day.

They're starting at you because you're attractive, but also too crazy to befriend.

[–] DPRK_Chopra@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

The americans I used to work with would always make a big performance out of leaving at the end of the day, but the Russians just pack up their shit and leave without a word.