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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 257 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Valve is a whole company of people like Gaben.

[–] CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works 211 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Valve is a unique company with no traditional hierarchy. In business school, I read a very interesting Harvard Business Review article on the subject. Unfortunately it’s locked behind a paywall, but this is Google AI’s summary of the article which I confirm to be true from what I remember:

According to a Harvard Business Review article from 2013, Valve, the gaming company that created Half Life and Portal, has a unique organizational structure that includes a flat management system called "Flatland". This structure eliminates traditional hierarchies and bosses, allowing employees to choose their own projects and have autonomy. Other features of Valve's structure include: 

  • Self-allocated time: Employees have complete control over how they allocate their time 
  • No managers: There is no managerial oversight 
  • Fluid structure: Desks have wheels so employees can easily move between teams, or "cabals" 
  • Peer-based performance reviews: Employees evaluate each other's performance and stack rank them 
  • Hiring: Valve has a unique hiring process that supports recruiting people with a variety of skills
[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 103 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Kinda sounds like how worker cooperatives work tbh, but with Gabe still technically being the owner.

I remember reading a news piece a while back about how the founder of a food company made sure to transfer ownership to the employees before leaving. While we're talking about worst-case scenarios, let's also hope for the best and hope that Gabe has a similar plan.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Him being a pretty smart guy overall surely has at least some sort of continuity planned.

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

PeopleMakeGames has a two part series on Valve that's pretty interesting. The second part (here) dives into the structure of the company. It does have a bit of an angle, fwiw, so if you'd prefer something more objective, it might not be a great watch. Personally I think the issues they bring up are valid, but figured I'd mention it.

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[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you know everybody who works there and what their ambitions are?

Also, nothing is impossible when you can deploy thepower of acquisition lol i’m less worried about them internally polluting themselves and more about externally being destroyed. We’ve seen this over and over again.

[–] efstajas@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Apparently 50%+ of the company belongs to Gabe himself, presumably he would pass it on to some very trusted. That makes a hostile takeover pretty unlikely.

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[–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 129 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Proton is open source. Anyone can pull it together and integrate it. Gog have been doing DRM free games for a while, they'll be quite keen to fill this niche. Epic probably won't care. If none do, someone will want to.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 63 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

What are you smoking? GOG Galaxy doesn’t even have a Linux client. In fact it has been one of the most requested features for years and nothing has happened.

Edit: it’s also the reason I stopped buying from them when I got my Steam Deck.

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[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Valve is a private company whereas GOG belongs to CDProject - a publicly traded company. GOG might want to fill the void but they're more likely to do dumb, shortsighted decisions in contrast to Valve.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 127 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Gabe is helping, sure, but he isn't holding up gaming. People were gaming on Linux before Proton even existed, myself included. Also, even if Valve went away completely, Proton is open-source and there are people like GloriousEggroll who work on Proton entirely as a community member. Proton will live on, specifically because it is open-source. All the progress made on Proton won't suddenly disappear, all the games that were previously playable on Proton will still be playable on Proton.

It's a somewhat reasonable fear but it's not a realistic fear. Proton isn't going anywhere.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Proton will live on, specifically because it is open-source.

Don't just thank open source; thank copyleft for the fact that Valve couldn't make a closed-source fork of it even if it wanted to.

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[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 months ago

Additionally, if Steam would start to morph into what is posted here, it would simply be integrated into Heroic and / or lutris just as Epic is right now. There would be no need to actually launch steam anymore but just use it as a background service to pipe your games into something else.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 124 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Obviously his death will trigger a worldwide AR Easter egg hunt, where the Steam user worthy enough to find the three keys first will become the new Gaben and Master Of Steam.

[–] faceula@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (10 children)
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[–] trag468@lemmy.world 111 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think Gabe has been getting healthy lately. Last picture I saw of him he was looking like he lost a lot of weight. Maybe repost this in 10 years and then we can panic.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 96 points 4 months ago (5 children)

GOG.
We need to support GOG and it's model as much as possible.

<3

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 4 months ago (8 children)

If only they would support Linux more.

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[–] un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 83 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Whenever you are afraid of the negative impact on your life of a corporation's possible failure, it means that you have become reliant on someone you can't trust. You must act accordingly.

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[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 74 points 4 months ago (2 children)

For sure, valid to fear the enshittification of steam. But they aren't killing proton. Maybe ignoring proton at worst. But Steam has profit motivations for not being reliant on Windows, which has actively been trying to supplant them with the Windows Store for years.

As another separate, profit-motivated company, with a gaming division and a lot to gain from eating Steam's lunch, Microsoft is not Steam's friend. Proton is a critical bargaining tool for them, and not having to include windows licenses for devices like the Steam Deck helps their costs too.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 49 points 4 months ago (3 children)

My fear is them going public or selling. If that happens, it'll probably be Microsoft willing to spend any amount, and the government hasn't really been in a "preventing monopolies" mood for a while now.

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[–] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I do have a similar fear. Valve is something special. I tried to hate them, they're filthy-rich corpos after all, but I can't. Something of value will be lost when Valve finally succumbs to enshittification, which cannot be said of a lot of other big companies.

But my fear isn't necessarily about Steam. I have like 20-30 games in my library. Steam is simply the least shit way to play games you have/want to pay for.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 64 points 4 months ago

If you don't expect enshitification these days you are dumb. Very rational fear

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.de 63 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

What many posters in this thread fail to realize is that there is a very good reason why steam hasn’t been hit by the enshittification that otherwise permeates human existence in 2024.

Of course, Gaben as their CEO has the last say in it. And he’s just a good guy. But wait, aren’t there other companies that have good guys as their CEO and yet the enshittification persists?

The profound reason is that Valve is not a publicly traded company. They have no obligation to any investors to make number go up. They are a private company, they can do whatever the fuck they want. If they stay flat and keep paying their employees, that’s totally fine, and there is 0 pressure on them to change anything. THAT‘s why Valve seems like such a different company compared to everything else that’s out there.

Of course it’s still a choice to go public or not, and they have made the right call (for us consumers).

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[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 59 points 4 months ago (12 children)

I think there are important considerations to keep in mind.

First and foremost, Valve is not a public company. I don't know if it has investors, but it is not driven by profits like many typical public companies are. These companies tend to allow themselves longer investments without any clear visibility of immediate profits. They also do things for the greater good, even though it does not bring profits.

But also, I think the whole of valve is a set of gamers and people who genuinely care about the gaming business and making great products. I think they all share Gabe's values and goals. It's not like Gabe is the only one holding everything together or else it would instantly crash into the profit driven company it could be.

Both of these scenarios keep me hopeful that this is a longer lasting stance and doesn't hinge on just one person. It's not a proof it will never be a typical profit company but these are barriers which are not typically present. Let's hope for the best and keep rewarding them for their contributions to gaming, open source and for their good actions.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 54 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (25 children)

I think this post massively overestimates the power a CEO has. The CEO is beholden to the shareholders. Valve is private, ~~so~~ and its shareholders are its workers. It would be useful to know how many shares Gaben has of valve, but I still don't think the next CEO would suddenly also be the majority owner.

Also, I know things have changed a lot in the last 12 years, but 12 years ago regarding the total dissolution of Valve, Gaben said:

“It’s way more likely we would head in that direction than say, ‘Let’s find some giant company that wants to cash us out and wait two or three years to have our employment agreements terminate."

Also, forcing users onto windows is THE way to kill valve's profits. The whole point of the Linux push was a direct response to the windows store, and msft's threat of forcing valve to give them a cut of purchase through steam. Msft will still do that the first chance it gets. So even the most profit-minded new leader wouldn't make that choice, as it's plainly shortsighted.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

...you can load right to library?

Edit: holy crap you can, all these years..

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago (10 children)

... You can disable that advert window?

I think we're failing at life bro

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That window is the only ad I purposely allow in my life. I know I can disable it but it sometimes informs me of games I want

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 27 points 4 months ago

Yeah I don't keep track of new releases so scrolling a curated list of them for 10 seconds when I open Steam is actually useful

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Considering how much money they make with gambling, I think Valve is not as saint-like as people think it is.

People make Games has done two great videos on Valve

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Aside from valve probably having a hit by bus plan, I'm pretty sure ownership of valve is actually split pretty evenly so it will likely fall to another senior dev who understands what to do.

[–] FreddyDunningKruger@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've heard they've hidden three immeasurably invaluable CS:Go Knife skins throughout the platform, and the first person to find all three will unlock Half-Life 3 and annoint the winner as Gaben 2, God Emperor of Valve and owner of Steam. Also, they get a chocolate factory.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

gaben is a smart man, i doubt that he isn't aware of his own mortality, and presumably has someone who he trusts, that he will appoint the position.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

It would be beautiful if he just handed the keys over to a true believer when it's time. Just a quality, stand up person who already has a pocket full of cash and just wants to help gamers get games and indie devs distribute them without squeezing every drop of profit they can at every step.

edit: it'd be even beautifuler if he turned it over to a trust managed by a panel of elected employee representatives

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Categorically wrong since Gaben lost weight.

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[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A billionaire who is 61 is very likely to outlive 75, even if they're fat.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago

It's inevitable.

But if steam becomes enshittified I'll move onto something else and use torrent sites to download the older games I care about that I've bought on steam. It wouldn't really be pirating them, since I've bought them already.

For now steam is fine, and I appreciate the work they've done on supporting Linux, so I'll keep on using it to buy games.

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Gaben's last dying wish is to make every game work on Linux and donates $1 billion to making it happen.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Many won't like it, but this is the reason we need competition like Epic games and GOG.

The steam fanboys certainly aren't going to make this problem any better.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 77 points 4 months ago (6 children)

We need competition like GOG. EGS is shit, we need competition better than EGS.

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[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (9 children)

The life expectancy of 75 is an average (of the US population i assume), billionaires are likely to live longer

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Well, at least we’ve got global climate change and multiple other threats to the survival of humanity, we won’t have to worry for long.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

He is a gazzillionare. We better hope he is working on a foundation or something that is legally bulletproof.

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