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submitted 11 months ago by Uluganda@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Other than your carrier give it for free or cheap, I don't really see the reason why should you buy new phone. I've been using Redmi Note 9 for past 3 years and recently got my had on Poco F5. I don't see the point of my 'upgrade'. I sold it and come back to my Note 9. Gaming? Most of them are p2w or microtransaction garbage or just gimped version of its PC/Console counterpart. I mean, $400 still get you PS4, TV and Switch if you don't mind buying used. At least here where I live. Storage? Dude, newer phone wont even let you have SD Card. Features? Well, all I see is newer phones take more features than it adds. Headphone jack, more ads, and repairability are to name a few. Battery? Just replace them. However, my Note 9 still get through day with one 80% charge in the dawn. Which takes 1 hour.

I am genuinely curious why newer phone always selling like hot cakes. Since there's virtually no difference between 4gb of RAM and 12gb of RAM, or 12mp camera and 100mp camera on phone.

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[-] dystop@lemmy.world 193 points 11 months ago

I mean, most of the population isn't buying a new phone every year, it's just that there are enough people using phones in general that at any given time there are people buying new models. It's the same reason why there are people buying cars every year.

I personally use my phones for about 3 years. Sometimes up to 4, but usually year 3-4 is when the battery degradation gets so horribly bad and performance stutters so much that I figure if I'm going to do a full reset and buy a new battery and all that, I might as well get a new phone.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 64 points 11 months ago

See thats where im with OP.

Lots of people do switch every 1-2 years.

And swapping a battery costs idk 40€ and an afternoon, full reset costs nothing and takes 20 minutes. Why would i generate that much trash and spend a thousand bucks on the latest shit thats 99% the same instead?

[-] Guildo@feddit.de 33 points 11 months ago

Capitalism and Marketing, bro.

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[-] M_Reimer@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago

The only real issue are updates. After just 3 years my previous phone didn't get any security updates and I had to get new hardware. I actually liked my previous phone more than my current one. But it is how it is.

[-] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

That's the reason why I switched to iPhone after many years of Android, security updates are vital nowadays with all the sensitive data and apps we use on our phones, Apple is the only one that guarantees al least 5 years, iPhones are not too expensive if you don't buy the latest models and I'd rather avoid supporting companies that don't understand the importance of security.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 35 points 11 months ago

Pixel actually guarantees 5 years now and if you put GrapheneOS on it, then you'll have one of the most private and secure operating systems available

[-] dzervas@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

just a side note for graphene: i have the feeling that it’s not for everyone. “too much” security tends to get in the UX way

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Apple isn't the only one that guarantees many years of updates. The fairphone (although currently only sold in the EU, they're coming soon to the USA) has 5 years of promised support, Google Pixel 6 and later also have 5 years of promised updates, Samsung Galaxy, has 4 years, while one year less than its competitors, still much better than the 1-2 years most phones used to have. Android phones these days aren't like the wild west back then, Android phones are on par with iPhones, the choice is merely personal preference.

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[-] Hector_McG@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I have just done the same.

Although Google are now promising 5 years of support for Pixel phones, Pixel phones are not a core business for Google, and as they have shown many times, Google will end projects at the drop of a hat with no regard for their customers.

There are secondary Android companies like Samsung that promise long term security updates, but are always behind the publishing curve compared to Google. This means that malicious actors have the opportunity to study Google’s published updates to reverse engineer cracks that they then exploit.

The current Android security update model is inherently insecure due to this issue. Until manufacturers are forced to update in a timely manner ( by which I mean simultaneously with Google) I won’t buy another Android phone.

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[-] ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com 37 points 11 months ago

The main reason to do it is when the manufacturer no longer releases security updates for the phone. Given the security history and the typical corporate attitude of caring little for the customer, I want to minimize the risk posed by not having a very out of date operating system.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

You don’t need a new phone every year to get this.

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[-] Pap3r@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I feel like when I was younger and phone tech was changing a lot in the early days of the iOS and Android the difference even 1 year made was sometimes huge. Nowadays it’s much more incremental. A slight processor boost here, a couple GB of Ram there. I think a large part as to why that is is two things.

One, the tech has stagnated to some degree. Innovation doesn’t exactly sell a phone to regular non tech folks, a stable “don’t have to think about it” experience is what most people are after.

Two, a lot more issues with the cell phone platform are solved with software rather than throwing around more powerful hardware.

All that being said when I was younger I loved the idea of bleeding edge tech in my pocket, I upgraded all the time. The appeal was more customization at a lesser cost to performance, I wanted all the bells and whistles and less of the jank that came with it. I’m a little older now and lean much more towards the “give me something that works and doesn’t crash for the 10 minutes I have to look at my phone” club.

For those that upgrade to the latest iPhone/Pixel every year no matter what, I chalk that up to lots of expendable funds. It doesn’t appeal to me any more but I can also recognize that there are probably plenty of people out there now, like I was 10 years ago, so it could also be a general interest in the tech and how the bleeding edge keeps pushing for faster, more efficient technology.

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[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because they welded the one consumable that needs replacement to force you to buy new every few years: the battery

[-] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

Luckily for us Americans, the Europeans have their head on straight and can force companies to fix this by the end of the decade. So that'll be nice at least

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[-] MixedUpMarbles@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There is a HUGE difference in 4 and 12 GB of ram if you're using 20 different apps at once that are all running background tasks.

The camera raw megapixel are of little significance these days but things like optical zoom or a larger sensor and aperture make a lot of difference.

The main reason to upgrade otherwise is unsupported OS versions. you'll stop getting security updates leaving your phone vulnerable to attack.

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[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

Vanity, marketing and buying shit unnecessarily.

I have a Fairphone 3 that I got in January 2020. Its a great device. I want to using it daily for between 5 to 10 years. And I have no doubt it will do that.

Meanwhile my brother has bought 3 Samsung devices in that time. And each one still works fine. He doesn't need a new phone each time but he will still insist on it.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 20 points 11 months ago

I buy a new phone when my current one breaks. So like every five years.

Lots of people are bad with money or don't prioritize the same things I do. I try not to worry about this. I worry about other unimportant shit like why do people roll for stats in DND 5e.

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[-] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

The world around you uses Instagram daily. They do need a better camera and all the AI photo enhancement filters. Plus, consumerism, you know.

Other than that, there's no technical reason to buy anything better than what flafhsips were a few years back. I have one and it's constantly underutilized.

I mean, maybe 5G or wifi 6 could be a reason to migrate.

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[-] AtheistAndroid@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Status symbol. That, and many people are horrible with their devices. They drop them and scratch them, crack the screen, chip them.

They abuse them and load them with tons of apps. Fill up the phone with videos and photos. The battery holds less of a charge because many people use their phones as computers and will constantly be cycling it dead 3 times a day or more.

Apps update and use more resources and space. They could just clean up their phone, do a reset, and have a case for protection but choose not to and just buy a new one.

It's stupid I agree

[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

Planned obsolescence wiki link

[-] woobie@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago

The only time I ever "upgrade" is when I break a phone beyond reasonable repair. If batteries were easier / more cost effective to replace, I would keep this Pixel 4a a few more years. The battery is starting to lose capacity now, I'll have to check on the cost of battery replacement before too long.

Considering a Fairphone next time I do upgrade.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

It used to be that a new phone came with a relatively substantial new feature set. People have become accustomed to this and businesses have been built around this. At this point, it’s mostly about consumerism.

I’m still rocking an iPhone 12 Mini without the slightest hiccup as well as an original iPhone SE as my main music player. I used to be the person who got every new phone because there used to be such a jump in performance and hardware features. Now I have no reason to upgrade at all. Honestly, I’d love to get rid of my phone all together and just use an iPad, Apple Watch, and my camera and journal.

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[-] cassetti@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

20 years ago, I had an insurance plan with AT&T. For $30 I could "replace" my phone under the insurance policy (once per year). Then the plan changed it was a refurbished phone not new..... then eventually the insurance plan went to a surcharge of $200 to replace with a refurbished phone.

Back in the old days I simply upgraded every one or two years under the insurance plan. But that was the days before smartphones really took off.

These days I don't have that insurance plan, and simply hold onto my phones as long as possible. I don't get it either.

I have a Galaxy S9 that I've had for five years and it just won't die on me. Not that I'm complaining, I honestly have no clue what I'll buy next. But I don't get the need to upgrade annually.

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[-] GoOnASteamTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

I totally agree :) I'm S10 until the thing melts, I managed to replace the battery under warranty and plan to rock it as long as humanly possible.

Headphone jack is a huge factor in that as I would not want to lose something I use every day, but also like you say, performance is fine! On top of that is the fact that I'm paying £8 a month for unlimited everything without a contract! :)

I guess there used to be a night and day change, and people kind of still expect that from the next flagship each time they're offered an upgrade?

That said, these days the trends tend to steer into things I don't use much, or improving what's already good enough - its a good time to be on a budget I guess! :)

[-] Brochetudo@feddit.de 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I can't see why you can't see the difference. I've been swapping every few years from the lowest tier phone that's recently come out and each change feels like night and day each and every time. Perhaps you should stop buying overpriced phones?

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[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 14 points 11 months ago

I buy used flagships.

A 1.5 year old flagship costs the same as a brand new midrange phone, but is significantly better.

I just got a S21 Ultra for cheaper than I would have paid for an A54. (Also Exynos is hot fucking garbage. I wanted to get away from Samsung altogether, but the price on this made sense and I has a snapdragon. Significantly better)

[-] Deez@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

I have never upgraded every year, I used to every two years, then three. Now I’ve had my iPhone 11 for almost four years, and I’m planning to keep it for 5. It will probably still get new OS updates for another 1 year after that (total of 6).

There is no reason to update your phone every year.

[-] Radicalized@lemmy.one 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are OS updates and there are security updates. Check with your manufacturer as these periods may be quite short, and considering how tied our finances and porivate info are to our phones, it could be a huge hazard. Most android manufacturers, for example, I think offer 2 years of OS updates and 3 or 4 years of security updates. Apples does 6 and 8 - which is wild to me for all the talk of Android users about FOSS and privacy and security. Samsung does 4 and 5, which IIRC, is one of the highest in the android world.

I'm certain someone will mention GrapheneOS, so let me get ahead of that: You can completely de-google your android phone and get as many years of OS upgrades as your hardware can physically support... but is the average person really going to do that?

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[-] onionbaggage@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I just use my phone until it either breaks or can't do what I want it to do.

Since having kids they break more often.

[-] Whisper06@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago

Because my simple or brain likes shiny new things.

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[-] sloonark@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

In my experience, batteries start to deteriorate after about two years or so.

[-] Synthead@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Ain't it a shame that you're talking about tossing a phone for an $8 battery?

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

It's such a racket. My 3 year old phone is perfect except for the battery. I remember back in the day I could pop open my case with my thumbnail and the battery was just sitting there ready to swap. Nowadays that process involves specialized tools and heating pads to melt glue. I'm hopeful that the industry is trending toward removable batteries again, but that's still years away.

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[-] harmonea@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Gaming? Most of them are p2w or microtransaction garbage

And? You may not like them, but there's clearly an audience.

Don't buy a new phone if you don't want one, but why be so mad that other people have reasons you don't?

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Google provides a stripped down base Linux kernel to hardware manufacturers. This kernel works with android and allows the manufacturer to load all the proprietary code needed to support the processor, modem, and hardware peripherals without the manufacturer merging the source code into the mainline Linux kernel. This means the community can never support the hardware in the kernel. As software changes in android, features are added, and vulnerabilities are fixed, the only party that can update the device's kernel is the manufacturer. This is a criminal scheme to exploit the end user and force them to constantly buy new hardware. Proprietary is always about theft of ownership from the end user. It is a tool for exploitation. It is not about intellectual property or business. These arguments are praying on naïveté. Everything can and is reverse engineered in this hardware and software by every serious competing company. The only reason proprietary exists is criminal exploitation of the end user.

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[-] Madbrad200@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I agree. I only replace my phone when it stops working.

Battery life is decent for 3-4+ years nowadays.

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[-] IthronMorn@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Z fold user here. This thing has a limited number of times of being folded and unfolded. My early upgrade plan is kinda to prevent the inevitable happening while I'm the device owner.

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[-] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 11 months ago

A free phone from your carrier is never actually free. You will be paying for it over the next 6 months to 2 years.

[-] popemichael@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

My number one reason: battery life

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[-] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I like new cameras, higher refresh rates, and super fast page loads.

Selling my phone on Craigslist every year and buying new is about the same price as buying new every few years.

$1500 phone. 3 years. $500 per year.

$1500 phone. Sell for $900-$1000 at one year old. Buy new phone for $1500. $500-600 per year. And I have a always warranty (extended by my credit card).

Similar price per year, night and day better product.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.one 9 points 11 months ago

The big reason is updates. Phones will only get Android and security updates for so long. After that point, you buy a new phone or run the risk of being exposed.

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