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Strength of character. Stength of personality. Willpower. How does it manifest for a woman? Assume that a woman isn't just a man with different bits.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago

IMO. the same things that characterize strength in men. Just. from women.

Honesty, integrity, kindness. Resilience. a wiliness to speak and do what is right... without necessarily being a jackass about it.

If you were thinking of it in opposition to (toxic) masculinity, the guy who "projects strength" and push their way around.... who call themselves "alpha"... are just assholes. And usually the weakest, most insecure and down right vindictive people you know. that isn't strength. (I can threaten their masculinity just by ignoring them. Pretty fucking pathetic.)

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Femininity and masculinity are fake. Go be a person

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 6 points 4 months ago

I've seen people and decided I'd rather be a computer. Is there something like a reverse blue fairy?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Well I wouldn't want to be with a women who acts like a (stereotypical) man, but that's me. :)

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I don't want to be with anyone who acts like a stereotypical dude.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Weird fetish but I won't judge

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

What you are personally attracted to doesn't determine human nature

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nobody wants anyone to be a stereotypical man. We've just grown to expect it from men.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago

That's true.

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ability to crush a skull with their thighs

[–] gens@programming.dev 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was gonna go with the other guys sensible answer, but i like yours more.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

My wife is a pro at de-husking walnuts.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Ah, death by snu snu. I can see you're a fellow soul.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Idk I’d go for big biceps tbh. Like them girls who can lift me from the knees.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 11 points 4 months ago

Strength is the ability to do hard things. Hard is relative. Gender doesn't play into it at all.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Though there aren't many female heroes in history, the few that existed made huge marks.

St. Olga of Kyiv famously slaughtered (!!!) her enemies (the Drevlians) to protect Kyiv and avenge her husband. She then converted to Catholicism and spread the message to the Slavs. And her lineage then founded Moscow. She's considered the reason why Catholicism spread to the East, despite a patriarchy at her time.

But perhaps bloody stories of revenge and the spreading of the good word (a trope of the Middle Ages I know, but she's known for it), is a bit "Just a man with different bits". Still, she was smart, she was cunning, she was ruthless, she conquered, she ruled.


Perhaps a more traditional "Feminine Strength" is St. Joan of Arc, who raised an army and marched with them, though she never really won battle accolades or ruthless terror like St. Olga. St. Joan of Arc comes from humble beginnings and rises to become a leader of a movement in the 100 years war. Despite being tried for being a witch (erm, talking to the Devil? Something like that), she never gave up on her values and is widely recognized as a key figure in her time.

I think Joan of Arc is closer to what the English-speaking world would consider feminine strength. St. Joan of Arc never betrayed anyone, and largely served as an inspiring figure. (As opposed to the cunning St. Olga who has multiple atrocities in her name). She stood her ground as she was tried, and was burned at the stake at the young age of 19. Still, despite her young age, she was a key leader (though not a ruler), who inspired many to fight for France.

In any case, Joan of Arc was confident. She benefited from prophesies that a maiden would come to save France in the hundred years war, and she stepped up to be that role. She traveled across the country raising and inspiring soldiers. She marched into battle (though I don't believe she was ever seen as a warrior or tactician type given her age and small stature), but this grossly improved the morale of the soldiers around her. Women (or really, young girls) like her weren't supposed to be on the front lines like she was. But just arriving to dangerous positions and being confident, and telling everyone that they're cause is righteous and they're doing the right thing is hugely important.

Being around to witness the horrors of war, to tell people that things are alright and they're fighting for the right things. Its... important. People need to know that.

Note that Joan was also on trial for wearing men's clothes. Suggesting that she's an early feminist who did fight for equality centuries earlier than other feminists. Truly ahead of her time.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Though there aren't many female heroes in history, the few that existed made huge marks.

Not in recorded history, anyway.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Katherine Johnson is a personal hero of mine. there's a lot of women who deserve way more credit than they get.

[–] BugleFingers@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

There was also Zheng Yi Sao, a chinese woman who became a pirate who was so unstoppable that she even managed to negotiate her retirement with the Chinese government.

[–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Without prejudice, empathy, forgiveness and how you deal with a situation. My own personal opinion though.

[–] spiderwort@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Nice. Thanks.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What does any of that have to do with being a woman/man?

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

They are strengths regardless of gender, but it is more common to see women who excel at those qualities than men.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

My girlfriend can lift heavy objects, so maybe that?

For real though, strength isn’t gendered. There’s strength of character, there’s fortitude, there’s physical strength. But the thing is your final sentence belies a failure to understand just how much these gendered ideas are bullshit. Like whatever the answer is is just whatever the individual values in women that’s difficult. And more scathingly, what is traditionally called feminine strength is the capacity to endure what men do to women.

[–] lady_maria@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Assume that a woman isn't just a man with different bits.

Emotional intelligence, empathy, and maturity; knowing when it is more beneficial to be gentle or to just observe/remain quiet; understanding how to take advantage of others' gender-based assumptions/underestimation; and a deep solidarity with other women.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Femininity is something people do, not something inherent to being a woman. (Also, with regard to the way you posed your question, technically a man is a woman with different bits, not the other way around.)

I don't know how to split out socialization from biology, honestly. Are you asking what strengths are considered feminine and are also admired by men? Probably being able to handle physical pain, being good at organizing, endurance in the face of adversity or grief. Ability to read a room, pick up on cues, make people feel comfortable.

Are you asking what strengths are admired by women, what do we consider a strength of women? You will probably get different answers from different women but I think women are often better able to consider a whole situation rather than focusing on one part of it and messing up another part; and that we are usually better at handling physical pain without whining.

If you are asking how willpower feels for me as a woman, though? In terms of deferred gratification? Probably about how it feels for you. Sometimes easy, sometimes it sucks.