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[–] ndru@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

TLDR: therapy really helped me.

I spent most of my life doing what this comic shows: telling that critical voice to shut up, go away, leave me alone.

I can only speak to my experience, but parts work therapy has been transformational for me.

I used to use an oppositional voice in my head to drown it out which shouted over the critic; saying that I’m great, my friends love me, people have told me in talented, I’ve done this before and I can do it again, etc - but it made my head so loud all the time and in moments of weakness - tiredness, depression - the negative voice was louder than i could muster.

In parts work therapy I learned to stop rejecting that part of myself and actually listen to what it’s saying. To empathise with it. To try to listen to its fears, and offer it understanding and love.

I learned that my critical voice grew to protect me: to self censor my behaviour to help protect me from the much larger pain of judgment and humiliation I experienced as a child when I expressed myself freely. I haven’t needed that protection for decades, but that part of me didn’t know that. It was a part of the mind sealed off, entrenched in its fear, which I shunned and tried my hardest to ignore.

The more I listened and gave compassion and understanding to that voice, the nicer it got to me.

Over time I really learned to talk to him. To tell him how sorry I am that he had to carry such a burden for so long, that I’m strong enough to deal with peoples criticisms now, that he doesn’t need to hold on so tight anymore, that we’re safe. It’s one of the most bizarre experiences of my life: to talk inward and really hear a response which I can tell doesn’t come from what I identify as my current ”self”. And I learned to identify other parts in me too; other bits which froze at a certain age, wrapping up a bit of me in protection I didn’t even know was there.

When that protective boy in me pops up now, and he still does sometimes, I know to reassure him, not shout him down. I tell him that we’re safe, I’m strong enough to deal with what’s happening, that I want him to enjoy what we’re doing.

I don’t know if everyone’s negative voices come from the same place, but I wanted to share this incase it’s helpful for anyone. If you can afford therapy, go for it. It took me years to find a therapist because it felt like a mountain infront of me, and that voice would pop up telling me that I was being indulgent, that I don’t have real problems, stop making a big deal, don’t draw attention to yourself… but I’m so glad I did it. My head is so much quieter than it once was.

[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

This is a really well written and clear story. I don't know if I've ever heard of that approach - to not just shut down and ignore that voice but to actually face it and almost collaborate with it. Thank you for sharing, it gives me some things to think about.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Thanks for sharing. And yeah I have two negative “voices” in my head: one is protective like yours and the negative things I heard throughout my life. The protective one needs to be convinced, because all she really wants to know is that I’m not going to find myself in a bad situation unprepared and surprised. The other one isn’t so easy, it needs correction: “no that criticism was valid, that’s why I resolved it.” “No, that criticism wasn’t valid, because X” “shut up I’m working on it at a reasonable pace” “just because trauma doesn’t mean the same will happen again”

[–] GFGJewbacca@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

I'm saving this comment for when I feel ready to do that kind of work. I need it

[–] Blyfh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Thank you for sharing!

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 53 points 9 months ago (11 children)

do people really have inner voices that demoting?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 54 points 9 months ago
[–] OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 35 points 9 months ago

Yes, imagine a self-critical version of yourself voicing its opinions on your failures.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Yes literally all the time on everything I do

[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty tame tbh, mine likes to remind me about my failures like it's a Facebook memories post, like I'm not saying my inner voice is constantly horrible to me, but when it is, it goes hard on me.

I wish I could find a way to make it stop but I'm 37 and as long as I can remember that pricks been there telling me I'm a failure.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can make it stop, that form of mental distress makes you a prime candidate for a variety of therapies including CBT, DBT, and a different one that I don’t remember the name of but it’s based on Buddhism.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I'm personally a big fan of DBT so I'd like to advocate for that one!

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm objectively very successful, but starting every morning in the shower, and probably a few times per hour throughout the day, I have to manually derail that voice telling me how stupid I am, how I deserve nothing I've gained in life, and how I've failed to be a good enough person.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a good person but i'm not successful.

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

success is subjective anyway. To some you might be.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do some people not? It was fucking constant at some parts of my life. It’s why I can’t judge addicts, I had the strength and conditions not to fall, but I’ve had times where I deeply understood trading my future and health just to make my brain shut the fuck up.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

No, I basically actively summon mine and it is part of me and disappears when I get very distracted. It thinks what I think. It never critisises me, but more like celebrates good things and curses if bad things happen and plans ahead what I should do or say.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 7 points 9 months ago

mine keeps trying to come up with new words to insult me with after telling me how much it hates me. I like to laugh at how hard it fails

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes. And for peopke like me with concentration problems i have 24/7 monology going on my head which is really rarely quiet at all. If it ain't speak it's random songs I play in my head on repeat

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

ADHD is particularly bad for causing that.

Brain: Give me stimulation now.

Me: I'm trying, I'm trying, but I got to get things done.

Brain: Give me now, or I'll make my own!

Me: Please, no, I'm trying!

Brain: I'll do it...

Brain: I will!

Brain: Fine... Baby shark! do do dodo dodo...

Me: <Attempts emergency lobotomy with a spoon!>

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An inner voice is a useful internal communication tool.

Growing up, a massive amount of what we learnt was either provided or reinforcing via verbal instruction. Because of this, all of our brain areas have some sort of tie in with our ability to listen. Conversely, a huge amount of our expression is in the form of verbal communication. So almost all of our brain is also tied to provide data to our speech centre. It's a small step to use this as a useful internal communication pathway. We experience that as an inner voice.

Not everyone has an inner voice, while others are totally reliant on it for internal communication. Most are somewhere in between. It's an artifact that isn't required to be able to think. It's just extremely useful to most.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Also fun fact, people who are native users of sign languages tend to have inner signing. Like disembodied hands

[–] objectionist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

i have complete control of mine, so it’s about as demoting as i think i am, which i’m not thankfully

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I unintentionally created one when I was depressed. I used a sort of imaginary person to bounce ideas off when I was writing or doing anything creative, just a kind of mirror me who I spoke to and then who responded (not literally, it was just me responding "as" them, not a hallucination). When I got very depressed though, I lost control somehow, the self-hating part of my brain took over, and they became a voice very much like what's shown in this meme.

I dealt with that, eventually. Now I just have my own voice in my head. I'm still not nice to myself all the time, and I wouldn't say I have total control over that... But it's a step in the right direction.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where does one learn this ancient power?

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago (5 children)

For a while in therapy we tried personifying my self hate and giving those thoughts an actual name. In my case that name was Maurice and I do not remember why. That was every time a negative thought happened I could be like "No Maurice, you're an idiot. I won't listen to you."

Unfortunately it turns out Maurice can cite sources.

[–] OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is actually pretty genius, are there any downsides?

I haven’t given mine a name… the strangest part is it used to help out.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't know if I would say downsides but for me it just didn't work at all. I imagine it works well for loads of people but all it did for me was make me look for more scientific reasons to hate myself. Hence saying that Maurice could cite sources.

Instead of "your art is bad" I would be thinking of every little detail I was doing wrong individually as well as convincing myself that I will never be able to shake those issues. Other stuff did end up helping but that specifically wasn't for me.

[–] OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Sorry to hear, but an interesting thought experiment. At my age, there’s no reason not to give it a shot. I’ll name him, Gwen. 😂👍

[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 4 points 9 months ago

I'm gonna give it a burl, I need to fight it somehow.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We don't talk about Bruno.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I knew that movie was a complete fantasy the moment that Abuela admitted she was wrong.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Magic powers are fine and good but you lost me at an Abuela admitting she was wrong

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

You get it.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tu pousses le bouchon un peu trop loin Maurice!

You're going too far Maurice!

(It's from a famous French ad where a kid accuses his goldfish Maurice of eating the chocolate mousse to hide his own mischief. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ASc40_mpZjU)

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Just do the typical comment fight move and call out Maurice on how funny he must be at a party

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

I believe your Maurice has my Derek on speed dial

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 23 points 9 months ago

Lord, give me this man's superpowers

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

This is pretty much what cbt is. “Yeah I may think bad things, but I know they aren’t true”

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

Is he drinking out of a sippy cup?

[–] MacedWindow@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I really like the top panel as just its own thing. Very much a mood lol.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Anyone who struggles with this should check out the Guy Ritchie flick Revolver. It deals alot with how our sense of self and our ego can get us into more shit than external forces.

That voice in your head, the one who has been there forever... you think he is your best friend when in truth, the devil hides in the last place tou would ever look.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago

Satan in a nutshell