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That or when the range is so huge as to be meaningless - a $25k-150k range is completely useless.
Thankfully some states in the US have made this illegal, like Colorado.
I don't usually complain about how people convey what they want, but this one often annoys me a bit - because it's a matter of clarity.
Some might say "well, there's uncertainty on the min/max", but then the higher/lower boundary of the uncertainty doesn't mean anything. That's the case here - it's effectively "minimum 5 years experience", unless you say what would require more experience.
The higher bound is an indication of maximum salary. It's saying "we need at least 5 years experience, but if you have 30, we're paying you like you have 5."
The higher bound is an indication of maximum salary.
Is this something that you know, or that you're assuming?
Note that in both cases it only reinforces what I said about clarity. If the higher bound of the range:
- is indeed related to the salary - then it is not a requirement, nor should be listed as such
- is related to something else - are they expecting appliers to assume what the range means?
I've been hiring people for 10 years. Before it was common to post salaries, this was a good way to not waste people's time interviewing for jobs below their rate.
It's in the requirement section because that's the section we are able to modify on the stupid Excel sheet that the recruiters force us to use.
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Talk about apologist conjecture.
I've hired people for a decade. I'm explaining why it's there. I'm not saying it's the right way to do it. Just that this is the way it's done.
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Most IT job postings done by recruiters are hilariously bad, I scrolled through some and I'm just like "really? That's all you're telling me?"
"expert knowledge in NT, FreeBSD, Cisco IOS, Java, C#, Active Directory, Windows Server, Fortinet". Uh huh. Just be an expert at everything, I see.
Then you do the interview and they want like 2 of those things and less experience is fine. 🙄
They want the unicorn, they will settle for a horse with a horn taped to its forehead.
"...will you accept a whale that thinks it's a unicorn?"
A job I'm interviewing for now asked me if I had experience with libvirt, qemu,and KVM.
(For those not in the know, libvirt is a wrapper around qemu, KVM is the name of the technology, so if you have experience with one or both of the first two, you definitely have experience with the last one).
man would it be nice if I could just get to the fucking interview
This is my first interview after 3 months of applying (not every day, mind you, I've probably applied to like 300 jobs though). I have another one in the next few days as well, for another company.
LinkedIn Premium does actually seem to help, compared to sites like Dice. Good luck out there, it's pretty rough right now.
Recruiting is the great leveller. Those who don’t have any skills can at least make it harder for companies to hire people who do have skills.
I think it means that if you have 10 years of experience you are welcome to apply, but they are only willing to pay commensurate to experience up to 10 years.
Probably right, and they don’t need the word minimum at all
I would have assumed that the minimum could change based on the candidates. So if they get a bunch of 10+ year candidates, any 5 year candidates would just be skipped.
“Minimum” in this could refer not to the number of years but to the criteria of eligibility. The sentence might mean “At minimum you have to pass the following eligibility criteria: between 5 and 10 years experience.”
If they then give other criteria that you have to match, that’s nonsense :)
Or I suppose it could mean they’re looking for someone with a minimum of five years, and while they’re not looking for someone with more than 10 years they will consider them. “We want someone with (hard minimum of 5) to (soft maximum of 10) years experience.
Is the job for someone to improve the clarity of their communications by any chance?
Your first interpretation wasn't the case in this specific ad, because the "minimum 5-10 year experience" was on the list of "essential experience and skills" and there was a separate list of "desirables".
Your second explanation just supports my original infuriation - just state the range that you're interested in, without calling it a minimum.
Actually, I got that job, I'm still working for the company, but to your last point, I have to say it's hilarious how bad our communications dept is at communicating to the rest of the company.
I once had a colleague update a shitty webapp we had written to add a message saying "pages loading may take up to a minute or more"
Yeah it's grammatically incorrect but don't we know what they mean? They would settle for 5 years experience if they had to, but 10 years is very much preferred and if they felt they could require 10 they would.
Most neurotypical people don't need everything to be ridigly perfect in definitions. We understand what they meant. I think the objection to this comes from the more autistic type folks. Which isn't to say they are wrong for being different.
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And offer them that sweet fresh-out-of-college salary
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Or say "an average of" and give a range.
This is just non-math language describing a standard deviation.
You need an average of between 6 years.
Or just give the range.
Seems like a linear algebra question. Are they trying to test you on the optimal region?
I, too, am irritated by this.
That means you put it outside of the 70% who have to match.
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