Work Reform
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
What did MIT tech review mean by this
basically warning of a possible Gattaca like scenario where your prospects are determined by the purity of your DNA
Ohhhhhhh they were being critical of the concept. I was wondering why an official MIT account would spout eugenics talking points lol
Plenty of MIT/Harvard types are into eugenics. Don’t be fooled by the level of education someone has, doesn’t mean anything about their morals or ethics
Oh im well aware of how popular eugenics is among academics. I was just suprised theyd post that on twitter
Academics, not really. Too many, but not that many.
Faux intellectuals with a bachelor's degree and the arrogance to pretend that makes them an expert in a field, yes.
I am so glad humanity has no history of using very bad metrics to make decisions with.
The charitable explanation is HR knows they'd need it eventually if you do join up, so might as well as for everything now since they definitely need to know your state of residence. Also some companies send swag and other stuff to prospective hires.
Your explanation is more likely.
need to read the terms of service of the application software. I am sure there was some sort of accept box to check.
Racism. They never have to ask if you're black but if you live in a predominantly black neighborhood they can decline to hire you without running afoul of anti-discrimination laws.
You'd be surprised how many things in America are just racism wearing a wig.
also known as redlining – nominally illegal but almost impossible to enforce (assuming anyone in authority even tries to enforce) …
That can be determined by Zip Code alone. Exact address isn't needed to determine which neighborhood an applicant is from in most major cities
True, but asking for your ZIP code feels more nebulous and undefined as to WHY. Asking for your full address is "oh, I guess so they can mail me things if they need to" for most applicants, so it gets looked past a lot easier. One of the few times where specificity wins out.
To mail you shit...? Out of all the things an employer can ask, your address is one of the least shady. 🤨
Address is verified during the I-9 process during onboarding.
If I was employed by the employer, 100% they'll get the address. This is for an APPLICATION. That you don't even know for sure is the actual company. I hope people aren't just giving their address out to any faceless "person" on the Internet that asks.
Some ask for your social security number, and j always nope right out.
I'll give it to you after I sign the contact.
It's so they can weed out potential applicants that are experiencing homelessness.
Same reason that so many jobs use algorithms to screen out applicants. They don't want to hire anyone outside of their current networks. Nepotism is totally legal, just look at Jared Kushner
I always put their address. I LIVE AT WORK HOMIE.
I think they're just trying to verify that you're from a country they want to hire from and that you have a physical address. I just give them City Hall's address because it's in my same zip code and I doubt anyone's going to verify that I physically live there.
and that you have a physical address.
Homeless people need not apply!
Businesses are often required to do some things by mail, but also judge people's reliability based on where they live. Another atupid hurdle for people having housing issues trying to get a job so they can afford housing.
But I do agree that it's a ridiculous thing to require. I also think it's just bots collecting data. Plenty of fake jobs on LinkedIn from my experience.
It could be innocuous, but the paranoid brain I have leads me to believe it's so they can attampt a background check based on where you live.
"maybe we don't want to hire someone from that neighborhood"
I put up a job posting for my construction company last year and I had applicants from all over the world. Probably 60% from my city, 20% from my province but nowhere near me, and 20% from other countries.
I wouldn't want or expect anyone to move for this job, let alone from the other side of the world. I manually rejected people who were too far away, but I can definitely understand wanting to filter out people based on their home address
People night be moving there with their spouse. That kept happening to my brother because he hadn't moved into the city where his wife had gotten a job. He had to wait until they moved to actually get a job.
The easiest and most likely reason is that HR is lazy so when they need to update info on their side on hired they don't want to reach out. They can just have everything in one shot. I doubt it's anything objectifying or anything to raise eyebrows over.
I've been looking for a job for 3 months and in that time came across at least 4 postings pretending to be a company for social engineering purposes. There are nefarious actors out there collecting information. My advice is to use a job board to find out who's hiring and then apply through THEIR website, not the job board. I've talked to 3 different HR departments saying that they're aware someone is posing as them on LinkedIn and no, they're not hiring.
This is also a super likely case. The only time I have ever been scammed and had my identity stolen was because of trickery like this. I wish the worst for these assholes posing as companies
From now on, when they ask me, I'm just going to put a rich person's address. For this one I used a Brooklyn townhouse where Maggie Gyllenhaal and one of the Saarsgaards lives.
Pull an Elwood Blues and write in the street address for Wrigley Field
1060 West Addison.
They need to know the state you live in for legal reasons. Some states create hiring problems since they can open the company up to liability by simply having a single employee in that state. Other reasons include ensuring they can actually get you on payroll in that state - as they’ll need to pay into state unemployment on your behalf.
The full address is likely just some default option that’s selected without much actual thought.
When I was looking for jobs I realized that many employees asked this data to assess the distance from your home to the workplace and try to determine if you will be “happy “ on the long term or if you will quit for a job that was closer to your home. It was local jobs anyway.
~~To mail you documents related/associated with your employment? Not really unheard of to receive 401k/insurance/other benefits mail. Also, taxes and tax documents like W2's~~
Potentially background checks? Maybe? Otherwise yeah it's a bit weird and more information than they really need.
Overreach in data collection is everywhere these days sadly... far too many things are not properly considered PII (personally identifiable information) even though multiple things in aggregate could completely doxx a person.
Companies aren't mailing taxes, tax documents, or 401k/insurance/benefits docs to someone just because they applied for a job, though.
I doubt it’s a background check. Those cost actual money, so why do one before you need to?
They can get your address after they hire you for that. They don't need the other 90 applicants addresses.
To send you tax information, mostly. This is a stupid thing to be mad about.
I feel like you missed that this is on a job application, not an offer letter. Unless I’m actually hired and get paid by you, you aren’t going to send me tax documents so you don’t need my address.