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Matrix i guess, its a federated messaging protocoll. Flagship messenger app would be Element. Sending large files would depend on the server you are on.
SimpleX has the best privacy, because of removing metadata.
Signal comes close, and has many more users. Probably some of your friends already use it.
If you want something similar to Telegram/Discord/Slack, then Element (Matrix) is what you're looking for.
All of the above are E2EE.
No all my friend are on insta 🤢
Time for new friends!
/s
It sucks, I know :(
Sending big files over Signal or SimpleX? I doubt it.
Simplex.chat is promising, with great privacy/anonymity concepts at its core:
- no identifyer like a phone# or an email address needed
- little to no metadata transiting by the server
- identity management ("incognito" identities generated in one click when joining a group for instance, management of several identities), all database/client-side.
- works with any server, through tor by default. different servers used to send/receive messages.
- android/ios/linux-tui/linux-desktop/macos/windows versions available
- in Haskell, so no node/electron shtf#ckery (just a different shtf#ckery... ;)) )
Thanks may have to piggyback on it later
If you're on simplex you will understand this joke:
Simplex sucks because we need stickers
P.s. really love simplex, would like to see more stability and maybe speed, but everything else works just great
Has bugs re invites. Not for noobs.
Signal is the best, honestly the tech is unbeatable. If you don't want to use a phone number, then Session is similar albeit with less robust encryption protocols.
They need to finally release the usernames feature. That will probably make it much more usable. At some point I managed to convince some of my friends to use signal, but ever since they removed sms support, even I don't use it.
They should have waited for usernames to remove the sms support.
I don't understand why the sms thing is such a big deal. Either use it or don't, as in, I use shitty sms android when I must buy the majority of my communications are done through signal. Sms is not secure and should be avoided.
+1
Signal has been legit and trustworthy for many years
While I agree with your and a more open/private telegram would be great the thing is that the current alternatives, Signal, Matrix, whatever are simply subpar alternatives when it comes to the clients. We can say a lot about telegram's privacy but the true is that all their native mobile and desktop clients outperform everything else out there. (I wonder why a native app would outperform react garbage :P).
The only think that might be private yet as performant as Telegram might be some kind of XMPP but the issue with that is that mobile clients suck.
I don't think matrix have piracy groups but yes in terms of privacy it's the best (ok maybe not the best and i should have put some reaserch into it my bad guys . i don't use it though)
No, Matrix isn't the best in terms of privacy. It is a metadata disaster and Telegram clients are still more performant.
Matrix's E2EE does not, however, encrypt everything. The following information is not encrypted: Message senders, Session/device IDs, Message timestamps, Room members (join/leave/invite events), Message edit events, Message reactions, Read receipts, Nicknames, Profile pictures
ive been scared to say i dont like matrix. so many people seem in love with it.
Ask your mates with whom you connect on telegram to move to matrix
Lol from telegram my friends won't move from instagram to telegram only a few of them are available in telegram that too rarely. I am the only one not on insta in our friends group and everyone aldready thinks i am tinfoil hat guy if i tell them about frediverse and the problems with using instagram they will think i am going nuts . I just call them if i want to talk nowadays .
I've seen and heard of a few. Thing is when you join them you'll only get access to newer stuff there, the E2EE makes past messages unreadable if you haven't been there for a while. It's not like on Telegram where you get Room history access.
The only piracy rooms on matrix that I know of are jc141 support and jc141 gnu/linux hackers
The first messenger without user IDs
Other apps have user IDs: Signal, Matrix, Session, Briar, Jami, Cwtch, etc. SimpleX does not, not even random numbers.
This radically improves your privacy.
Thanks looks very promising
As far as I know Telegram is the only one with piracy-oriented channels. Maybe we could start one on Signal
Once usernames roll out.
Take a look at "Seeker". Its a client for the SoulSeeker network. Nicotine+ for desktop is nice too.
Matrix?
Op regarding your edit, your title says privacy open source and security , it says nothing about for piracy. I'm aware we're on a piracy community, but that's not what your title said.
It is explained in the body
Isn't that for privacy i want piracy
Most foreboding quote 2024.
Maybe not. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html
CIA Funding CIA → RFA → OTF → Signal. While this article by Yasha Levine gets into the details, it is no secret that the original funder of Open Whisper Systems (the previous name for signal’s development team), was the Open Technology Fund: itself publicly listed as a subsidiary of Radio Free Asia, a US state-run organization whose main goal (along with the other “Radio Free” incarnations such as Radio Free Europe, or Free Cuba Radio) is regime change for those Asian governments who don’t align with the US’s foreign policy interests.
Either way you can't recommend Signal over Telegram when it comes to features and service quality as it works very fast and handles large group chats (hundreds of people) no problem and syncs instantaneously. Signal's desktop and mobile clients are simply a pile of react and javascript garbage that can never be as fast as the native Telegram clients and usually fails at syncing messages. With Signal issues such as https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1350631024351346689 and "signal can't display this message" are very common.
Telegram has one very good thing going on for them: they aren’t dicks when you want to delete messages. You have options that are very clear on what they do and allow you to delete messages in both sides. Other platforms, including Signal, are just shit when it comes to this and frankly that’s a security nightmare. I can't ever trust a platform that when I ask it to delete a message it may or may not work, may or may not tell the other side it was deleted.
I’m not pushing people to use Signal anymore as their Apps still suck, there’s zero investment to make them more usable and to fix the things that are half broken. To make it even better their open-source is very questionably, their server code went for an year without updates. Why would I use something that lags, underperforms, has questionable open-source practices and might be funded by the CIA / influenced in some way then?
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