This layout makes sense if you have used an old school mp3 player or similar.
Volume is left and right because it’s an analog of the volume bar on the screen.
Up and down is previous and next because play was controlled by a list UI so you were moving a cursor up and down between songs.
It’s not how I personally would prefer it, but it’s not as outlandish as it seems.
That makes a lot of sense. I still hate it, but i understand the justification for it now.
Probably also matches to a visible screen with track visibility, so up and down is literally moving between tracks
The up and down, in this case, also correspond with how the menus work on the HUD or Center control panel. Source, MINI owner since 2009.
Hey, at least it's not a touch screen :)
Nailed it. Even the worst interface with buttons is miles away from the best touchscreen interface. You are like driving, you aren't supposed to look at the screen and tap things on it to switch a song or whatever. You navigate a missile that weights at least two tones and can undo a crowd of pedestrians or break a wall in a building. You are in no position to focus on this tiny LED that some insane idiot mounted there. Yet, it's there.
My wife just reminded me that she was asked to take a survey about this car after she bought it.
She complained about these buttons being oriented stupidly, and the survey taker mentioned that this has been a common complaint for years. Nevertheless, BMW / Mini has stayed the course. Users be damned.
Begs the question - what exactly is the survey for, then?
probably crowd sourcing tests for more critical errors.
"did your car suddenly stop while going at 90 mph?"
The speak-button looks like a farting stick-figure.
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I want to know why do many cars don't have a play/pause button on the wheel, but do have a source button.
I change my source from my phone exactly never. I want to pause the audio all the time.
bro I swear whoever designs the interfaces in cars must be the CEO's nephew
Drove a Kia once and it was the same. Up went back a track, down went forwards. Opposite of my intuition.
Yet one more item in an endless exhibit of how mankind is unable to standardize anything at all. Get TWO engineers together to agree on ONE standard plug and the assholes will come out with THREE separate plugs, completely non-compatible with each other, of course.
It's almost like a miracle that we got the world to agree on certain things like time and timezones, a system of coordinates, the metric system.
All of them received initial pushback, and some to this day. Noisy, noisy fucking humans.
Did you know that for a few decades, every town in the UK kept two different times on adjacent clocks? Back when their railway grid was expanding everywhere. Local time and London time.
Funny enough, it's not the engineers that are doing it. Left to their own devices without ridiculous constraints like "someone else is doing it this way so we need you to do something that sets us apart" or "you can't look at what everyone else is doing", engineers will do it the laziest way they can..... By copying what others are doing and essentially making it standard.
Yeah usually when engineers take extra effort to do something non-standard, it's at a specific request from a client or management
Wouldn't it be nice if an engineer had decision making power?
Engineer here. It's like that because that's the way it's always been. To change it would mean retooling silk-screen printing on the D-pad, and changing the wiring underneath. And they probably use this D-pad everywhere, so someone like me will have to talk to someone else like me, and right now I have phone shyness (can't just be an email, have to call a meeting). I'll also have to talk to a supplier and get them to change the wiring, and Procurement won't let me just change anything, because it gives suppliers a chance to requote a job, and they'll ask for more money. And then I'll have to talk to Production, because they'll have to retrain the workers, make sure someone doesn't stop the line because this new part doesn't look exactly like the old part. Oh, and Quality of course, need to make sure the inspectors don't start rejecting the new parts (just kidding, they never look at parts). Then there's Marketing. Since this is a customer-facing part, definitely need their input. Might have to change catalogs and brochures with new pictures.
No, they just got the good brand of gummy bears in the cafeteria, I'm going to go buy a bag of those, and then fill out these forms my new boss has been asking about. New boss, new forms, same old shit.
Remapping gpio pins doesn't require changing wiring, but it might require tracking a unique firmware revision.
The designer of this layout look at the display, saw that the volume slider was going left/right and placed the buttons accordingly (probably what happened).
This and radio channels/tracks are presented in a list on modern displays. "Down" is the next item.
Same in my 2017 Toyota. Bought it new and trained my brain to use it. Someone finally released a replacement that's set up correctly, and now I'm relearning the control.
Preach! When did you ever hear someone say "please turn the volume right" or "can you play the up track"? It drives (NPI) me crazy in my Toyotas!
Think of it like this. Up arrow is forward and the down arrow is back. The volume then increases from left to right like most linear scales (that aren’t up and down). Yes the buttons should be the other way but there was probably some (poor) reasoning to why they are this way.
As someone mentioned in the comments, it might be because the media is displayed as a vertical list on the car’s display.
My VW is this way and it’s infuriating. It drives me nuts that Down is Next, it’s so backwards.
Volume should be up/down, and track left/right.
I’m curious if the left/right would be language dependent? English is left to right, so Right would be Next. Would Hebrew and Arabic be the opposite since they’re right to left languages?
I drove this make of car for a while; there's an optional head up display where the up and down buttons here let you cycle through contacts/the song queue/radio stations. I'd imagine it's the same interface without it, just displayed somewhere in the car where you're not looking while driving.
Having it so that up/down moves you up/down through the list when there's a visual display is way more intuitive than up/down being volume - frankly the volume bar on Windows, Mac, many TVs etc. goes from left (quiet) to right (loud) anyway
This is a Mini Cooper steering wheel.
Made by people that use a volume slider and swipe for next... Such a horrible design in cars.
Clearly you're meant to have the car on its side before playing any media
True. On its left side.
The up and down are used to go up and down in menus lists. It matches the animations as well. It would be infuriating if those buttons were on the horizontal.
So my question is, which is next: up or down?
My pet peeve has always been when media controls (like volume) are on the right side of the steering wheel rather than the left.
To me it makes a lot less sense to put them on the right when my right hand is already 10 inches away from another set of media controls (left-hand drive vehicle).
My 2004 Mazda, 2018 Mazda, and 2011 Kia all had it figured out and pretty much used the same layout for media controls and accessories like cruise control. My Ford, however, seems like no thought was put into it.
Return the car, it's obviously built by morons.
Name and shame. What make and model?
Mini Cooper S. Been a Mini thing for years. It’s infuriating.
This is actually exactly how my telly remote works. Left and right are volume down and up respectively, up and down are next channel and previous channel respectively.
Fellow Mini owner. This is only one of the many questionable UI decisions made in my car. I literally had to get help to get it started the first time.
If you're turning left, they'll be correct
At least you have those ridges dividing the directions. My car has similar but oriented correctly and no ridges. All too often I skip to next when trying to increase volume. It’s really annoying
Rotate the ~~controls~~ the whole car 90 degrees CCW.
My folks had a Volvo where the radio had 2 knobs and two buttons with arrows. One knob was volume, makes sense. The other knob and arrow buttons controlled the radio tuner and the thing to switch inputs from radio to cd to usb or whatever.
So on one hand you've got radio channels with about a hundred different options (90.1, 90.3, 90.5, etc), and on the other hand you've got maybe 5 different inputs. Guess which thing the knob controlled.
Is it a Japanese car?
Makes perfect sense while you are holding a stick drift!
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