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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I think most Dems, especially those who are highly politically engaged and closely follow election news, are going to vote blue no matter who. So, I think Bernie is preaching to the choir here. I think the Dems who are worried about Biden are worried he doesn't have enough support among independents, and they feel independents are much less likely to just vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is.

Now, could just any candidate replace Biden and automatically win back any of the independents he is believed to have lost? I don't know. A lot of Dems seem to think that just about any other candidate would do better than Biden among independents right now, but I'm not so sure.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Remember, Bernie Sanders did FORTY TWO events for Hillary after she was the chosen Dem candidate. More events than even she did for her own campaign!

Then she had this to say about Bernie in her Hulu doc: https://x.com/bobby/status/1236349383890931713

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hillary, much like Trump, is a symptom of what is wrong with the Democrats. "It was her turn" spat in the face of people who were excited about a progressive candidate and made the whole primary a sham.

She was a terrible candidate. She was a bitter pill that many independents said "enough is enough" and voted third party or not voted at all.

I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates. We're going to get established, wealthy-class friendly candidates who are willing to throw crumbs at the working class. They'll bitch and moan about how they are losing voters, never looking at themselves, never realizing that we are literally voting to just survive.

This election will be just like 2020. We aren't voting for Biden. We're voting against fascism.

And I'm personally getting fucking tired of Democrats seeing that as a win.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates

Well, the ~~Republicans~~ Democrats will have an option of being "less fascist party" by then. I feel like the future is not too bright, somehow

Edit: mixed the opposites somehow 🫠

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What an ungrateful cunt. I don't want to be in hell with that removed.

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Calling her a cunt is unfair: she lacks both the warmth and the depth

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.

Dying to know which word got removed when “cunt” was perfectly acceptable.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

B I T C H but even then I could be referencing a female dog.

[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, we’re allowed to say cunt but not The B Word™️?

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

That appears to be the case

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Lmao...I guess lemmy.ml didn't want to be unfair to Australians!

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Progressives need to learn this lesson: liberals will always shift the blame.

Oh, now I understand. She's like, a real housewife of DC.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Hillary "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" Clinton. Yeah. Keep on satisfying those poor, misguided progressives.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

"Dont like the choices? Get over yourselves"

  • Hillary like 6 months ago
[–] Throw_away_migrator@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the other concern is voter turnout/enthusiasm. The last presidential election had extremely high turnout. Even if voters (in swing states) don't switch candidates but opt to stay home instead that could translate into a significant electoral problem too.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You do have a point that turn out Is important, but a potential replacement candidate isn't guaranteed to increase turn out, they could be worse. And they would only have 4 months to try to fix things, which isn't a lot of time.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

Turnout is literally everything. It is literally more turnout = Democrat win literally every single election in america. Low turnout in 2016 still resulted in trump losing the popular vote. America's voting system is messed up, but then so is UK's parliamentary first past the post system and Belgium's 6 governments.

I think you might be missing the point though.

Those highly politically engaged Dem voters who will vote blue no matter who are bickering about whether Biden is the right choice, and the swing voters are paying attention.

To an undecided voter, it doesn't inspire much confident to see that Biden's own supporters don't think he can do the job.

The bickering amongst those who will vote blue anyway is costing the votes from the undecideds that Biden so desperately needs.