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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The genie is pretty ancient, my head canon is that it's just the genie's personal rules over the millennia

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (3 children)

In that case one wonders what would happen if Aladdin just wished for the means to kill Jafar himself.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago

He wished to be a prince, his royal entourage hypothetically included several people capable of assassinating Jafar on the order, it was just down to Aladdin being a stickler for being an active participant in proceedings that hindered him taking that less direct route.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In they case genie, I wish for a glock!

[–] pokemaster787@ani.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I read this in Timmy's voice, to the point I had to double-check this wasn't a quote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tyt0FYTNUg

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or something that would indirectly kill Jafar, like teleporting him to the moon.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The (admittedly kind of terrible) sequel disagrees with that, because Jafar as a genie can't kill anyone either.

Though he can use his powers to make people's life hell, wish or no wish, and abuses that quite a bit.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago (7 children)

You don't even need to watch the sequel to see that, as genies being bound by specific rules is the whole point of tricking him into becoming a genie.

Though after Aladdin wishes for the Genie's freedom, it really opens a can of worms as to what that means. Sure, I guess he's free to roam the earth, and no longer bound to grant wishes. But at the same time, has he now lost that power?

Because Disney ending aside, you would think an unbound genie with his full powers would be something that only ends badly.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Again, if we're only talking about Disney canon, according to the sequel and series (because really that movie was just the pilot for the animated series), the genie is supposed to have lost a lot of his power after being freed. It's not obvious how much of it really.

It's also not obvious how "bound" the genies are to begin with.

Genie is tricked into getting Aladdin out of the cave of wonders without using a wish, and he looks a bit annoyed but not that much (and it worked). He also basically forces a wish on an unconscious Aladdin to save his life, saying he can't do it without a wish.

Whatever magic contract is used there looks quite open to interpretation...

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Plot twist: Genie is just impersonating a djinn, but in fact he's an eldritch god 🌚

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 56 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Different wish granting entities different rules

A Djinn's wishes are meant to serve as a lesson about understanding what you actually want while Shenron's limitations are more about keeping any mortal who can summon him from stepping beyond their bounds, especially since we now have the super dragonballs implying significant limitations on what regular dragonballs are capable of in comparison.

Honestly it'd be interesting to see a comparison of wish granting powers to understand what their limitations imply about their roll in the story.

[–] misophist@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago (2 children)

imply about their roll in the story.

The DragonBalls probably roll infinitely better than the lamp.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 7 points 8 months ago

The lamp is a classic D2

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago

No wonder those balls end up in the deepest holes

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why is this comic being presented on an original game boy?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Check the source

I imagine that’s their thing

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Could get more work done if he requested a Death Note.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 8 months ago

Pretty sure he's illiterate, being an orphan in medieval times and whatnot

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 21 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Aladdin could just wish to be the most powerful sorcerer of the world, turn into a giant snake and fight Jaffar. No way that would backfire

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"I wish for what I should wish for."

There you go. Now your wish contains all of your morality and cannot be turned against you.

[–] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

What if the genie takes it as "this mortal shouldn't be constraint by their moral guidelines, but should use my sensibilities instead..."

If you've got an evil genie, this would suck... But a more benign genie might think that it would be the best if you got a whole lot of figs as your wish, because that genie loves figs.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Wishing for Dragon Balls is just wishing for more wishes with extra steps. Wish denied!

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

In Dragon Ball Z, collecting all 7 dragon balls allows you to summon an all powerful dragon that will grant you one wish, for anything you desire. Wishing for someone's death or resurrection are not limitations

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I don't know that anyone's ever wished to have anyone else croaked with the dragon balls. But people have definitely been resurrected. A lot.

Also, Oolong got a pair of panties with them.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It sure would speed up the plot if they just wished for Frieza to die

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The dragon (at least Earth's dragon, Shenron) has been asked for feats that were too great for him to perform, though, and had to refuse the wish stating they were "beyond his power."

We don't know the limits of his power re: ass kicking. But it's probably unlikely that Shenron could delete Frieza. Possibly Porunga (Namek's dragon) could have. Who knows.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh. I never watched dragon balls.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Watch DragonBall Z abridged if you're interested. It's short relative to the series, is hilarious, and keeps the story more or less intact.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Does that version get rid of all the:

"Uuuuuuuuuugh"

"Aaaaaaaugh"

"What's he gonna do‽"

loops?

I probably could have watched the show if it wasn't for the 15 episode powerup sequences

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 8 months ago

It's a redub with humor. It gets rid of that except when it wants to make fun of the endless haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-ing

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

DragonBall anime reference.

The balls call a dragon that can grant whatever single wish and then they scatter again as I recall. Used to resurrect the dead a lot.

Much of the original anime revolves around collecting them.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Dragon balls are magical. Got it.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Much like Yu-Gi-Oh! And Cartoon Network Batman, "Can't Kill Anybody" just invites much worse possibilities

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 8 months ago

They're smiling. How bad can it be if they are smiling?

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

transport jafar to the center of the sun.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably considered "killing", though one may wonder where the limit is.

If someone is alone in a row boat in the middle of the ocean and I wish away their boat, did I wish for their death?

Who gets to decide that? Is there a court of genie law? In that case is it the genie or the master who's being sued?

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

for insurance purposes it was the sun that killed him.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If only Jafar had trained a bit more. He may have been to strong for the dragon to kill him.

Also, depending on the era. Shen-long will grant 1, 2 or 3 wishes.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

And then Jafar would have stood a chance against Ryu.

[–] Crul@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 8 months ago

Only 7 dragon balls, eh?

One of those dragons was unlucky.

Or 3 were unlucky, and the 4th is lucky to have only lost 1 ball.

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