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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Today I learned that people take it VERY PERSONALLY when you criticize their chosen browser. πŸ˜‚

[–] Sweatyfartz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Except for Internet Explorer. Because everyone can agree on: β€œWhat a piece of shit that was”…

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[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

the hateful browser

Holy shit man imagine if we judged every huge project by one asshole at the top. There wouldn't be a single thing to enjoy in this world.

Edit:

I am going to add more perspective to this, because holy shit people are so into eating nothing burgers.

Reddit/Twitter was a database and API that everyone was centralized onto, there was no choice. Brave you can literally fork because its open source. Aside from that this was literally the CEO's personal donation of $1000...in like 2014. Almost 10 yrs ago.

Elon, as CEO and on the X/Twitter brand:

Meanwhile Brendan:

Gnubyte

[–] Squids@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok but like that asshole is using his money and power to donate to horrible stuff. Even if we take the stance that you shouldn't let someone's opinion ruin what they make, you're still helping him support his causes financially through using his platform.

Or wow, it's almost like people care about that sort of thing on the platform were most people came from Reddit or twitter because of the awful actions of their respective CEOs or something

[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh believe me I get it. But at the same time the CEO didn't rename brave browser "anti woke browser" and force it to not load "woke sites man".

Shits all open source right? Even if I disagree with him politically that's on him. I can use my money to donate to my political designation and even fork the brave browser if I don't want to support it.

Elon and Spez were one way no choice fuck you CEOs. We didn't get much choice there. And they use their platforms to remind you of that. I don't really feel like brave does that at all.

Edit: I'm also going to add that I don't use brave. I also don't care much about politics outside of leave me alone, leave my neighbor alone, and make things affordable.

[–] stewie3128@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 3 points 1 year ago

https://github.com/brave/brave-browser

No. That is factually wrong. Brave is open source. This is more like if we discovered the creator of mastodon was donating any profits he managed to make to some bigotry party. You wouldn't see me barking down the nice people who host mastodon or contribute to its code.

Separate the patrons, artists and art. Because it is not the same and that logic cuts all sorts of ways.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the huge asshole at the top uses their money earned as CEO to fund bigoted causes, yeah, I generally stop patronizing that business. Maybe you don't have the energy to care about things, and that's fine. Last time I checked, the Mozilla Foundation was still fairly ethical.

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[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Don't you don't think that a CEO highly affects (if not sets and controls) the strategy, priorities and direction of an organization?

If you agree with that, would you then agree that a CEOs values and way of doing things highly affects they way he sets strategy, prioritizes and in what direction the organization should move?

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[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago
[–] Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree that you shouldn't use Brave browser cause of things they've done in the past but, oh Jesus, that article is so stupid it reminds me the Hogwarts Legacy boycott.

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[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been trying out the DuckDuckGo browser lately on mobile. It uses the Chromium backend, so some sites work better in it than in my normal Firefox.

The neatest feature of the browser is the ability to generate random email addresses in signup forms, and those emails all get forwarded to your real email address. As it forwards the emails, it removes trackers from them. You can click a link in one of the forwarded emails to disable that address from being forwarded any more if it gets spammy.

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[–] ddnomad@infosec.pub 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Use Firefox or Safari, the more people use Chromium-based browsers the faster we get to the situation where Google completely owns the Internet (and they almost do now).

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[–] iesou@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf is spacebar.news. where do you find sites like this?

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corbin Davenport has been writing tech articles for a long time. Veteran tech journalist at PC Mag, Android Police, How-to Geek, other sites. It's his new newsletter.

[–] iesou@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Nice, I'm just always a bit skeptical of random sites. Thanks for the info.

[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Such a brave article. So brave that they turned off the comments when people started bringing up valid criticisms against it. Such a cop out.

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[–] rog@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I dont know why anyone would leave chrome and land on something like brave.

If youre ditching chrome, which you should, go to an actual different browser and use Firefox.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (22 children)
[–] Nothingwise@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Firefox + uBlock Origin + arkenfox user.js gives you privacy, security and anti-tracking. The only way to fly IMO.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And a Pi Hole for good measure.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Brave is a marching band of red flags. It claims privacy while injecting ads, affiliate codes and crypto into the browser. It's kind of sad to see someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side and pretend this is all fine. It isn't.

Best advice I could give for anyone who wants privacy is use Firefox or a branch of it. Firefox is out of the box the most privacy conscious mainstream browser and add-ons make it more so. If you want absolute privacy you could even use a derivative like Tor Browser.

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[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The fact that their founder wants to ban gay marriage is enough reason for me to avoid it like the plague.

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[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

The ceo is a bigoted asshole, Brave is chromium, it was initially funded by Peter Thiel and they're literally just trying to make their own adsense network.

The self-proclaimed privacy focused browser is tracking your browsing and want to serve you personalized ads, and I think they want to use that tracking data for AI training as well, meaning other people can potentially access it.

And lets not forget about their crypto currency that you can earn by turning on special ads. Which they seemingly unironically called it "Basic Attent Tokens"..

TL;DR: The company is basically a sham company trying to usher in a dystopia. Where you'll get paid for staring at ads, while having all your data stolen and sold back to you.

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[–] owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I can't think of a reason why anyone would use a browser other than Firefox and its forks.

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Because, for years, Chrome and its forks were basically the only good browsers out there. Both Internet Explorer and Firefox were in bad shape at the time.

Internet Explorer never recovered its reputation (and Edge itself is a fork of Chromium, anyway), and, by the time Firefox recovered, too many people were integrated into the Chrome ecosystem, and too many of those people believe it'd be too difficult to switch (and most don't really care since Chrome's issues have yet to personally affect them).

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh boy, this comment section is gonna be spicy. I can already smell the smoke from the Brave enthusiasts heads exploding.

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[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

The writer is proposing Vivaldi, a closed-source browser, as an alternative to Brave, which is free and open-source. I think a better alternative would be Ungoogled Chromium.

[–] tengkuizdihar@discuss.online 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Vivaldi? Trusting a closed sourced application for privacy? What?

Not even defending brave here, just weird that the author say that.

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[–] danhab99@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Why was appointing Eich as CEO so controversial? It's because he donated $1,000 in support of California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which was a proposed amendment to California's state constitution to ban same-sex marriage.

Besides this I cannot find another good reason not to use brave. Nobody point to a specific line of code that ruins privacy, not enough reasons.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I ditched Brave ages ago when the ad and crypto bullshit really ramped up, and finding out Peter Thiel was involved and Brendan Eich was a bigot, were more than enough to keep me away from Brave.

I currently use Arc on desktop because it makes my life as a busy dev much easier to organize, and Safari on iOS because every browser on there is just Safari anyway. iOS Safari + custom DNS to block ads. Works for me.

I’d use Firefox but Arc’s organization features have become insanely useful.

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[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

urghhhhh but firefox just doesn't perform as well. i tried, i really did. i found a 15 year old (!!) bug affecting svg drawing performance that was fucking up a page i was working on, i'm not imagining it.

I'm not sure if it's the same one but i just found a similar bug with a five year old comment saying i guess we're not fixing it anytime soon... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483868

I do have it installed and check in occasionally but it feels like a downgrade when i try to use it as a daily driver.

is there any way to get a functional de-googled chromium build with settings sync across devices?

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[–] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I use brave as it really blocks the things from foking meta, and goo gel, even if i think javascript is a warcrime against human kind, and against IT, and its created by eich

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[–] stooovie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I have absolutely no idea how Brave got the reputation it has. It's business model is disgusting and extortionate, it's like paying for warez. Been clear as day since day one.

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[–] fugepe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

lmao what kind of propaganda is this. Take your fucking meds lad

Anyone here ragging on brave that is on a Windows platform has got a real funky view of privacy. By percentage, that is probably most.

[–] Bakarel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used brave in the past sometimes still do. I don't care for the leadership. The browser is opensource and solid. I use librewolf as my main browser now though.

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