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[-] Crow@lemmy.world 82 points 7 months ago

The dubs vs subs argument made more sense when dubs were generally low effort trash. Now dubbing is done very well. As someone who can read subtitles fine, a dub is always more a relaxing/ less cerebral experience where I can focus that much more on the content.

Except singing of course. Don’t dub songs.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

To each his own. Some prefer the original audio simply because it is foreign, making it easier to mentally dive into a fantasy world. Others get taken out of the immersion by having to read subs and not focusing on the screen all the time.

Isn't it great that nowadays we have a real choice, so everyone can enjoy media how they want?

[-] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 7 points 7 months ago

I really don't want to make a thing of it, but it's nice to hear the original voice acting. I kinda want to hear that Japanese voice actress who's probably famous for all sorts of roles, it seems unfair to consume everyone else's work but not hers, so I want to pick up the OG vibe from the dubbed anime if I can. I bet undubbed Cowboy Bebop is good stuff, I should find that and watch it.

It can get crazy though. US DBZ gives fairly masculine voices to all male characters who are not obviously children, even if most of them sound like young men and aren't all that bassy, save, of course, Piccolo and Vegeta. Vegeta always sounds like he's trying to put some bass in his voice, but he's all nasal. Still. Man voices. Even Krillen gets a grown man voice, even if he's reedy and is supposed to sound like a pipsqueak.

I watched 10 minutes of the show once that was in notEnglish and absolutely the fuck not. Everyone had extremely high-pitched little boy voices which was fucking weird, and I kept waiting for them to drop the gag, but no, that's their voices for that version. Goku sounding like a chipmunk squeaker yelling in some other language. No thanks. To this day I have no idea what language that was.

So sometimes you just want subbed anime. Sometimes you want to watch Tenchi Muyo with a Ryoko who sounds right. My strong opinion is that I shouldn't have one when it comes to subs v dubs, that's internet clown stuff for people who think arguing is a fun sport.

[-] BattleBeetle@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Problem with dubs is japanese names pronunciation in english, no matter how good the VAs are.

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[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

It’s done well (usually), but it’s still not the original. Something will inevitably be lost in the adaptation anyway, and if you know even a slight bit of Japanese (or whatever the original language is), subs are the better choice for a first view, imo.

Then, if the series/movie was good and I feel like watching it again, I’ll go with the dub when available. Rarely, if ever, I found a Dub that was better than an original version, but a lot have been at the same level so it’s definitely worth it.

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[-] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 70 points 7 months ago

At this point I've adapted to somehow reading and seeing the picture at the same time

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 30 points 7 months ago

I think that's pretty natural? If you weren't getting any of the movie there'd be no points and we'd just read the subs on a kindle or something.

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[-] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

Idk if anyone else has this but i get a weird flow state where i read the subtitles and its like the characters are talking in english but i if think about it, it stops.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As long as you can read fast enough, you don't miss anything. I hate it when video games have subtitles but you can't skip to the next line because I've finished reading what they said way before they're done saying it.

[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 6 points 7 months ago

Sometimes I drop sub groups just over their timing. If it's too short, I will drop them since I will no longer enjoy it at that point.

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Badly time subs are one of the things I hate most. It is so frustrating when they're not synced up well enough to match what the people are saying.

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[-] Mrderisant@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

I'm actualy losing my hearing so I'm starting to "hear" my shows better than I can my wife

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[-] calypsopub@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

To each his own. My AuDHD means if there are subs I can't pay attention to the images. Dubs all the way for me.

[-] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

My ADHD means that when there's subs I actually look at the screen instead of being distracted by my phone. Funny how that works out.

[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 7 months ago

Well... you can't spell subtitles without tit..s.

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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately when I'm watching TV Im usually working out so I mostly just listen and occasionally glance over at it.

Dubs for the win on that one.

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[-] wetferret@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

I always enjoyed subs, but wished I could understand the original Japanese, so I took Japanese classes in HS and college to learn the language. Now I can't help but listen to the Japanese AND try to read the subtitles at the same time. (ー_ー*)

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 months ago

Yeah I can't watch subs. I don't want to have to read for a movie. I want to see the faces and expressions of people or characters as scenes play out. If I'm reading subtitles, I'm not immersed and the story doesn't slap as much for me.

[-] Maven@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I used to be hardcore anti-subs but then I started to realize that a large amount of English movies are mixed in a way where you can't understand anything that's going on anyway (thanks Christopher Nolan) so I have subs on for everything now because I can more consistently experience the entirety of the movie/show instead of my understanding of lines being up to if the director was upset that day.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago

Ironically, when you read subs you do inevitably miss some nuances of what's going on.

On the plus side, the translations can be much better since they don't have to match it to the lips of the characters.

In the end, I like both, but I tend to watch more dubs. Japanese is a really neat language, though. Sometimes it's fun to watch subs just to hear it.

[-] YashaB@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

I learned English by reading english subs of pirated movies.

I did that for years. Now I get wierded out by movies dubbed in my language.

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[-] Cyo@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I can't stand dubs, I think that japanese VA are a lot better. Anyway, I have been reading subs since I was 8 years old so I read them so fast that it doesn't bother me.

[-] Thranduil@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

And I cant stand subs because I dont like the japanese language. We are the opposite

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[-] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 15 points 7 months ago

I generally watch dubs.. but if I can have the subs on at the same time as the dub I'll do that.

I only watch subs by itself if there is no dub, or if the dub is rediculously bad.

I actually think dubs get a lot of hate they shouldn't be getting so many of them are actually pretty good especially for a lot of modern shows.

Interestingly fairy tail is actually one of the better ones imo.

[-] Mek@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

During my early teenage weeb days, I used to be a sub purist, disavowing anyone who preferred dub. I'd refuse to watch an anime with someone if they chose dub. However, I've changed a lot since then and now go with whatever sounds better to me. While some dubs are admittedly bad, others put a lot of time and effort into replicating the original Japanese feel, and they do a great job.

I've also noticed that certain anime set in specific countries feel odd in Japanese. For instance, when I watched Steamboy, it was bizarre hearing Japanese voices in the cities of Manchester and London. The Japanese voice actors struggling to pronounce English names and words fluently added to the peculiarity.

I don't buy into sub purists claiming all English dubs sound the same. Truth be told, a lot of Japanese voices also sound similar. There are cliché voices that almost allow you to predict how a character will sound in Japanese just by looking at their design.

These days I'm firmly of the opinion; whatever sounds right to you. I don't see the point of giving someone shit for choosing to watch a series in whatever language they prefer, as long as they're enjoying it.

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[-] MellowSnow@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I generally prefer watching in whatever the original language was (usually subs for me). But if I happen to see a show dubbed first, that becomes my new personal canon haha.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 months ago

I watch anime for the beautiful animation (not necessary the "plot")

Having text plastered all over it kinda takes away from it.

So I will watch Dub every time.

It is also a great way to check if an anime is good, since they don't put so much effort in to dub something mediocre (usually)

[-] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

if you don't watch it for the plot then why don't you watch it in Japanese without subtitles?

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[-] hulemy@ani.social 11 points 7 months ago

I will turn on subtitles for dubbed media too

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

I speak English, and like using my ears and my eyes, which is why I watch dubs. If you don't speak Japanese, what are you doing listening to Japanese speaking voices?

[-] meliaesc@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because not everything worth watching was created in my country? Why would I need to disrespect the intention/effort of everyone involved, when I can just read?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That doesn't make any sense. By that logic, wouldn't it be disrespectful to the English localization team to not listen to the dub? I mean, if you're going for perfect authenticity, the subtitles weren't there blocking the view in the original broadcast either, but you still have those on

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[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

If you are used to reading subtitles you can read them almost subconsciously. And you don't need to understand the language to get things like emotion out of it. I would even go as far as saying that getting used to reading the emotions of someone that doesn't speak the same language as you is essential to fully develop a sense of empathy.

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[-] ziviz@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 7 months ago

And for the fandubs, there should be an additional paragraph as a hat explaining some concept or pun that just does not translate well.

[-] Asclepiaz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I prefer subs but as a person who has to be doing something I tend to watch dubs so I can multitask. My husband thinks I'm a monster but that scarf didn't knit itself ya know?

[-] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

日本語を学べばもっと簡単です

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Damn, must have turned the subtitles off by mistake!

[-] Nusm@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

うーん、ええと

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