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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 102 points 7 months ago

Tbf windows defender is pretty good.

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago

It has to be, Otherwise Windows would have succumb to microsoft's antisecure culture by now.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Anti-secure culture? Things have changed a lot since the days of Nimda, SQL Slammer, etc.

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 10 points 7 months ago

It is fucking horrible with false positives though. RIP if you have a Kali ISO sitting on one of your drives.

That and the Antimalware service executable gets hung up and chugs 30-50% of your CPU and RAM and won't stop.

[-] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It's way too reliant on their cloud infrastructure though, causing it to detect and react to malware slower than other solutions and it turns to shit the second the network disconnects. The PC security channel on YouTube has some good analysis of it.

[-] Dettweiler42@lemmyonline.com 4 points 7 months ago

To be honest, for most users, if they're not on the Internet; it's not that big of a deal for their antivirus to be less effective. Most threats come from being dumb on the web.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago

That thing literally saved Windows, as most users would otherwise have had to install shitty freeware like Avast or pay for premium antivirus solutions, basically paying to try to close loopholes that Microsoft made in the first place.

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

💯

I almost opted to move my parents to use Linux instead of Windows because of how much time I was spending on fixing the malware and viruses they'd get. Then enter Windows Defender.

Now all I have to deal with is when they get the occasional scam call... "Yes, it's Bob from Microsoft, you need to wire us $900 to fix a virus."

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

Before Defender it was called Microsoft Security Essentials and was a standalone app.

Worked damn good back then as well.

[-] cedeho@feddit.de 42 points 7 months ago

Most Windows Programs running with root access is like, I don't know... Windows XP era maybe?

[-] 1337@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago

Windows ME was the last edition to make this assumption. NT was never like that.

[-] kernelle@0d.gs 18 points 7 months ago

UAC was introduced with vista, IIRC in xp any program would inherit the privileges of the user running them

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

This is Linuxmemes, what did you expect?

Up-to-date knowledge of other systems? lol

[-] cedeho@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago

"Up-to-date" is quite unfitting for ~17-18 years :P

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Probably pre-SP2 for that matter.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

You laugh but windows defender is awesome. People give windows shit but the reason it's attacked the most is because of it's market share being above and beyond leaps and bounds sun vs tiny fleck of dust in space os market shares that Linux and Mac os have. No one's wasting time hacking the tiny stuff as much just because its a numbers game. Guarenfuckingtee you if Linux was number one market share OS it would be getting attacked way more often than any other OS as well. Dont kid yourselves.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Hey cut it out we're trying to circle jerk here

[-] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

macOS and Linux have additional security features at a system level, on Linux most software comes through controlled repositories or sandboxed flatpaks. There are also tons of multi million dollar companies that constantly try to find and fix kernel level vulnerabilities and a distro like Debian, which is very popular for servers, has had less major vulnerabilities than windows 7 throughout its entire lifecycle and Debian exists for other 30 years. So I’d say Linux is would have a few less (different) attacks

[-] aard@kyu.de 15 points 7 months ago

Windows NT 3.5 and later NT 4 had C2 security certifications - assuming the system was not connected to a network, and didn't have floppy drives (this was before USB was a thing).

[-] tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Dang, a post from 1999!

[-] artvabas@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

The typo is Windows with a capital W, the rest is just not true, please don't lie😜

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah it literally pops a screen sized warning when anything tries to run as admin. Linux is very vulnerable as well. Hackers are just really good at what they do.

i am going to turn your skull into pasta

[-] Harpsist@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

How is it whenever I see a post about 'what anti virus should I use' people are always saying 'just use defender - def don't use avast!'

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago

Because if you're gonna use an antivirus, Defender does just fine.

They all more or less use the same viral signature database and definitions, and are mostly feature-matched with each other. Why look beyond what your computer came with unless you're installing something integrated with an RMM tool?

[-] neshura 4 points 7 months ago

Because, in addition to the other valid points raised, modern "Anti"-Virus Software is often worse than an actual Virus.

There are way too many pop ups, the menus are confusing and constantly try to upsell you. If you want to remove the damn thing usually it doesn't work, or doesn't work completely, or has a separate auto-updater that reinstalls it after the next boot.

False positives screw you over good (Kaspersky killed the Ethernet Network on a buddy's PC. He couldn't use the internet on it until he managed to remove that piece of shit from his system completey) and are not less frequent than with Windows Defender but certainly more annoying (see above example)

If you paid a subscription getting rid of that is a pain as well (BitDefender tried to scam me out of 130€ by sending the billing notif to an email address they shouldn't even have anymore)

Not all of them are shit like that but most are so sticking with the preinstalled Windows Defender that does 95% of the alternatives results in users having a better experience.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because defender has an amazing malware detection rate with few false positives.

Much better than even the paid antiviruses like McAfee and Norton.

Avast used to be good, but then it started to show ads every day.

Plus, Defender uses close to no resources to run.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 months ago

windows defender is better than how it used to be where had to buy an expensive proprietary av or download clam av and hope for the best

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

The only secure Windows is Windows 1.0. There is no network stack in it, and nobody would want to use it anyway.

Anything else is up for grabs.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

but i wanna play reversi

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

Does Smartscreen upload your .exes ? I disable its internet access and would be stupid if it only uses that to download databases or stuff.

[-] biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone 13 points 7 months ago

It takes a hash.

[-] Oisteink@feddit.nl -5 points 7 months ago

Looking at Kenny most Linux users seems to be clueless fanboys

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I would argue most Linux users have no clue they're Linux users.

[-] neshura 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Depends on how you categorize "Linux" User, if you include anything running a Linux Kernel as "Linux" then the vast majority have no clue they're using Linux.

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I think they're probably just young and enthusiastic. I was like that about linux 20 years ago when I had the energy for it.

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