265
submitted 7 months ago by grue@lemmy.world to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml
all 38 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 52 points 7 months ago

Something smaller using less energy? Shocking.

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago
[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

And better for your health to use.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 34 points 7 months ago

All I ask is an e-bike and a path to ride her by.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

If they could combine that with weather protection and more public transportation the car might finally die that final sweet death.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Weather protection comes with a good jacket you can buy with the money you dont spend on cars.

I rode in all weather for years. Rain or shine, you really do get used to it.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

I rode in all weather for years

Same. And that includes snow and ice, for those at the back that think that riding a bike in winter is only possible in LA. If people can walk in that weather, people can ride a bike even more easily as the exercise keeps you warmer.

[-] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Same with motorcycles. All year is motorcycle weather for me

[-] ZiemekZ@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Jacket doesn't do shit for rain. Believe me, I'm an Aspie and I have too much sensory issues for getting out of home in bad weather. The day it rains is the day i WFH. All the problems stem from the fact that the jacket is too close to the body, generating sweat (and I already sweat too much without it), not to mention it's not watertight. An enclosed velomobile would probably solve the problem, but I don't think this sort of vehicle is legal in Poland and can guarantee getting to the office as fast as I'd on a motorcycle or even a moped.

[-] nooneescapesthelaw@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

I wish i could also move more people with me on the bicycle

It would also be great if there was some sort of heater/AC in it as well

[-] Zpiritual@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

I ride from -20 to +35C in basically any weather and since jackets and shorts exist that's all that's needed. My friends have their own bikes they can ride...

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 7 months ago

Not much good if you've got to take the kids shopping though.

[-] Zpiritual@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

What? Why? I biked since I was like 5 with my parents to wherever including supermarket. Not sure what you mean honestly.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

People be growing up knowing nothing but absolute car dependency and the infrastructure that comes with it. They cannot fathom any other way of existing.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 months ago

People be privileged and not realising that their way of life is not suitable for everyone. Bikes are not the answer to every question.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I should have been more verbose. We as a society (in North America especially but also elsewhere) have suffered through decades of redlining that has resulted in racial and economic divides.

The wealthiest suburbs are being subsidized by the poorest neighbourhoods with all the money being funneled into infrastructure that directly supports car dependency.

In order to participate in society, you are now required to own, maintain and insure your own vehicle(s).

I am suggesting that we've been robbed of a way of life where cars are not necessary to survive. Where your kids can hop on their own bikes and safely take themselves to where they need to go without worrying about if they'll be struck by a car.

I'm talking about active transport not as a hobby for the privileged, but as a normality for all.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Where I am there are hills everywhere. You know that old joke about walking five miles uphill to school in the snow, and ten miles uphill to get home? That's here. Plus, it's the UK, so when it snows, the roads and pavements are lethal.

Plus, some people have kids under 5 😉

More seriously though, because of the amount of hills, and the fact that most people work all day, bikes are not the best option here. The nearest supermarket is several miles away with a lot of hills in between. If you've got plenty of free time, riding to the shops with the kids could be fun, but for most people public transport is the answer. It's just a shame that it's terrible here .

[-] Zpiritual@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Well I live in Sweden and we have snow here too buddy. Lousy public transport sucks though, but that's what you get in a carcentric society, no options...

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Exactly, you live in a country that doesn't shut down because of half a millimetre of snow. We genuinely get public transport shutting down if there's snow, and we've infamously had trains stop running because of the wrong type of leaves on the line. For a country that mostly has adverse weather conditions, we're absolutely useless if the weather's anything but dry and sunny.

I honestly don't know what we can do here to get better public transport and encourage people away from cars. Once you're further down the valley, there's enough room to build other transport methods alongside the roads to allow a transition, but further up, there's barely enough room for cars to pass each other in some places, which means that buses would struggle too, and there's no room to make a one way loop to free up space either.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Plus, some people have kids under 5

Yup, that's us. We walk, use transit, or the kid rides on her bike child seat.

E-bikes exist if you don't have the legs to tackle those hills yet.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I'd love to get an ebike, but at the moment the price is too high, from what I've seen. The cheapest ones seem to be over £1,000, unless you get the little fold up bikes, but they don't look like they'd be comfortable for a long ride where you're pedaling lots.

A gravel bike style would be better here too, simply because we're in the valleys, and lots of the trails are a bit rough.

Back to the point though, getting to the shops and carrying a week's worth of shopping on a bike with young kids is impractical here. It would be great if it was practical, but other than the hills, we don't have the infrastructure for the most part. The roads have to be shared, even if it's just for now, and there are lots of stretches here where there's not the room for bikes with motor vehicles, and especially not on the pavements. This time of year is even worse - it's dark in the morning and night, and the weather is usually crap. All of it increases the risk of accidents, and that's the last thing any of us want.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I wish i could also move more people with me on the bicycle

Depending on the size of those people: bike child seat, bike trailer, or they can ride their own bicycle. Cargo bikes can easily carry two kids or one adult without even using a trailer.

It would also be great if there was some sort of heater/AC in it as well

That is called "dress for the weather". Even snowflake pinko commies like me can do it.

[-] ZiemekZ@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

That is called “dress for the weather”.

Sorry, for majority of workers who can work remotely “dress for the weather” means staying in pyjamas, because bad weather means WFH.

[-] ZiemekZ@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

And a small distance to my destination. When my previous job was 8 km from home, I could do the journey in half an hour on a Xiaomi M365 e-scooter, very popular in Poland. But unfortunately our company was absorbed by another one, with office 16 km away, which means prohibitively long (for my sleep-deprived ass) 55 minute commute. And no, public transit doesn't make it shorter. So a motorcycle driving license it is.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 21 points 7 months ago

And the fact that car prices keep climbing because capitalism demands infinite growth or death.

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

In the US they keep getting bigger and bigger to. I was less scared of cars while riding my bike decades ago than I am now and we had less bike infrastructure then.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago

90% of our bike infrastructure now...... Isn't.

I'm not counting 1.5 feet on the edge of travel lanes where people are going 50 mph as bike infrastructure 🤷

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Well yeah. If it was separate paths from traffic then the size of the vehicles wouldn't really be as big of a problem. It's just how we have to "share" with people who have no ability so share.

[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago

I wonder what the effect of the estimated 1 billion regular bicycles is on cutting demand for oil?

https://www.bicycle-guider.com/bike-facts-stats/

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 8 points 7 months ago
[-] windowsphoneguy@feddit.de 10 points 7 months ago

Yet it is not socially accepted to ask where to buy them.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

Really? That explains strange looks they were giving to me.

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

The average number of legs per human is less than 2.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Legs can't get me to work in 12-15 mins or carry my groceries for me. Neither can the bus.

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

elso

Kelso

Elsa

[-] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Electric motorcycles do not belong on bicycle and pedestrian paths. My biggest issue with 'ebike' users is they do not understand or care about trail etiquette.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I completely agree that electric motorcycles don't belong on bicycle paths. However, Class 2 e-bikes aren't motorcycles.

this post was submitted on 17 Nov 2023
265 points (97.5% liked)

Fuck Cars

9477 readers
262 users here now

This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.

This community exists for the following reasons:

You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.

Rules

  1. Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn't choose car-centric life out of free will.

  2. No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don't use slurs. You can laugh at someone's fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.

  3. Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don't post literal car fucking.

  4. No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.

  5. No reposts. Before sharing, check if your post isn't a repost. Reposts that add something new are fine. Reposts that are sharing content from somewhere else are fine too.

  6. No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.

  7. No harassment. Posts that (may) cause harassment, dogpiling or brigading, intentionally or not, will be removed. Please do not post screenshots containing uncensored usernames. Actual harassment, dogpiling or brigading is a bannable offence.

Please report posts and comments that violate our rules.

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS