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[–] SyperStronkHero@kbin.social 126 points 2 years ago (8 children)

It's a great game but there IS a catch that wasn't mentioned.

The devs plan on implementing one of the more intrusive Anti-Cheats (Face It Anti Cheat) which doesn't work on Linux which also stops all Steam Deck users from playing. It also forces you to disable virtualization on windows. I can't recall the last time I had to go into bios to disable an option to turn off important windows features.

According to their stream, it's non-negotiable and will be added regardless of what the community wants. But they did mention that community servers would be able to pick which Anti Cheat they wanted to use?

[–] HER0@beehaw.org 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But they did mention that community servers would be able to pick which Anti Cheat they wanted to use?

As I understand, there are three tiers to this:

  • Official servers will use FaceIt exclusively.
  • Servers rented from official partners will have the choice of FaceIt or EAC.
  • Community-run servers will only be able to use EAC, and won't be hooked into the global progression system.

One of the many problems with FaceIt is that the server-side component is not allowed to be freely distributed, which is why community-run servers won't have the option to use it.

Personally, there is no way I am buying this unless if they reverse their plans to use FaceIt.

[–] drifty@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I will also not be buying this unless they don't use FACEIT

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[–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Disable virtualization? Hah right. Yeah, that's a no go.

[–] Stahlreck@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Well tbf, on most devices it's usually disabled by default so this is one of the typical "well 99% of our users are unaffected so eat it or go away". Always kinda dick-ish to do something like this.

[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 16 points 2 years ago

From what I read, it also requires Secure Boot to be enabled. I played the game for 90 minutes before reading about the anti-cheat change, fortunately I didn't hit 2 hours and took a refund.

[–] Tokeli@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

As someone that uses virtual machines frequently, I look at my like 16 hours in the game. Fuck. I hope they don't do that, this is the Battlefield I've been wanting for years. ;-;

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

Well, fuck. My hopes were raised and then dashed in the span of minutes.

[–] Mummelpuffin@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, shit. I hope I have under two hours so I can refund it.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago

You can likely get a refund even over 2 hours for this.

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[–] ultrasquid@kbin.social 77 points 2 years ago

I considered it, but am now avoiding it because they're going to add a Linux-incompatible anticheat.

[–] quortez@kbin.social 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I love to see indie games pop off. I hate to see Linux-hostile anti-cheats. C'est a la vie.

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[–] RecluseGamer@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've been having a lot of fun with it. Even if I only get a few weeks or months until they add FACEIT, it's worth the $15.

[–] drifty@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I was interested about this game by the article, but what is FACEIT?

[–] riskable@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago

FACEIT is yet another completely useless, doesn't-actually-work, trust-the-client anti-cheating tool. Basically, it makes it so that cheaters (and the game publisher) can claim cheating isn't happening because, "there's an anti-cheat tool" but in reality it doesn't stop actual cheaters.

The entire purpose of anti-cheat tools appears to be to stop casual Linux gamers from being able to play the game. Microsoft has a big part in it as well because the very same intentional vulnerabilities in Windows that hackers use to install undetectable rootkits are what get used by anti-cheat software.

If Microsoft wanted they could close those vulnerabilities by making all privilege levels above administrator (of which Windows has two which is insane) inaccessible to anyone but Microsoft. Instead they just collect money from 3rd party vendors to sign their driver encryption keys, inherently trusting those vendors not to make software with vulnerabilities. It's a recipe for insecurity and Microsoft likes it that way. It acts as a form of vendor lock-in.

Anti-cheat tools pretty much all work with the same basic assumption: Trust the client. What's the first rule of network programming? Never trust the client!

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anti-cheat, I assume it breaks Linux compatibility and/or runs with basically unlimited permissions on your PC

Edit: details here

[–] Snowmonkey@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From what I understand, FACEIT is a "better" anti cheat that the developers want to use to replace the current Easy Anti Cheat. Their current implementation of Easy Anti Cheat supports Linux and Steam Deck while FACEIT does not, and will not support Linux

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[–] smart_boy@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The game itself is a workmanlike Battlefield with a few oddball choices. I hope they never "fix" the vaulting behaviour that lets you break a 20-storey fall and make massive jumps across rooftops.

But I've specifically been having a lot of fun with the proximity chat. Remarkably robust, has an opt-in "broadcast your mic for a few seconds when you die" feature, and somehow isn't a sluice of slurs / edgy crap / etc (at least in my experience).

The anticheat news is really depressing though. Cheaters are out there and will come to this game, and EAC at least has a reputation of being quite weak. We're not allowed to have nice things.

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[–] unsunny@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looks interesting; one of the things keeping me away from some FPS games is the sheer amount of micro transactions. I’d spend 15 and get something good and fair for everyone who plays instead of being asked to put in another purchase every few minutes!

[–] trash@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I've been playing this game a lot the past few days. it's just plain fun. A nice refreshing FPS in the era of BRs and battle passes.

[–] ivereadalltheory@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Zenaida_macroura@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

Dude could really use a pass by a native speaker. A lot of that sentence structure is pretty rough.

But yeah, that's enough to keep me from buying it. I won't use Windows again.

[–] Awwab@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

That's unfortunate

[–] Relvoth@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think I heard they'll have community servers which will use Easy Anti cheat. So I think Linux will work with those servers.

[–] NoxiousPluK@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

Yes but they won't count for ranked

[–] RandomStickman@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are in to singleplayer bot matches Ravenfield is pretty cool. The game's workshop is vast, so you can go from a WWI shooter to 40K and everything in between.

It's natively Linux so that's neat as well

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[–] Zook3y@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s a great game! Runs super smoothly and it’s got a lot of great QoL features. $15 is a steal

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago

BattleBit Remastered on Steam

BattleBit Remastered is a low-poly, massive multiplayer FPS, supporting 254 players per server. Battle on a near-fully destructible map with various vehicles!

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 11 points 2 years ago

Stop it. I have too many steam games already. But at this point, what's one more? You convinced me.

[–] communist@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've been playing a ton of combat master.

F2p with no bs, I love it, and it has a proper Linux client, it even runs natively on Wayland for me.

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[–] TheAfterman@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not entirely sure what the hell the article was talking about, there are already bonus editions that give you skins. Same as any other game.

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[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The catch is that you can't yet run your own servers or LAN, from what I've seen.

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[–] jgrim@discuss.online 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm past the refund period. I wish I knew this sooner.

[–] Illumilux@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The refund period isn't a hard set in stone thing. Send support a request and it's likely to be granted. When tlou came out plenty of people with way more than 2 hours got refunds.

[–] jgrim@discuss.online 6 points 2 years ago

I'm mostly concerned about not being able to play it on Steamdeck anymore. I can still play it on PC. But doesn't seem like a good choice to have that anti cheat. Thanks, gotta think about it.

[–] iNeedScissors67@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LevelCap has a great video about how 3 guys made a better battlefield game then EA/DICE. I had fun the one night I've gotten to play so far but I was kind of drunk so I didn't do very well. I'm a Battlefield player of many years and it's the most fun I've had playing since 4.

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[–] chloyster@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I put this one my wishlist but had held off due to it being in early access. But I am reconsidering now!

[–] modulartable@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

Buy it! It's so fun and for 15 bucks it's a deal

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[–] neoney@lemmy.neoney.dev 6 points 2 years ago

I used to play the playtests a bunch - definitely a fun game, but not for me. I'd recommend it!

[–] zedtronic@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Anyone who says they value gameplay over graphics needs to get this game if they like the Battlefield genre

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[–] TehSr0c@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I've had some good fun with this with friends the last few days but the latest patch, which dropped yesterday, was supposed to improve hit registration. Unfortunately it seems to have done the opposite for a lot of users, with a great new message claiming 'packetloss' as the reason 5 out of 7 shots didn't register. This coming from a modern computer on a gigabit network with >30 ping to the server.
We also had some weird issues with bandaging and healing people just not registering, but still spending resources, and a lot of people just gave up trying to heal altogether.

[–] Sterben@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Definitely will look into it.

[–] Rayzer@lm.byteme.social 5 points 2 years ago

I've had lots of fun with this game. The price point is great with the amount of hours that I've gotten from it.

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