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[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 136 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wtf was even the idea behind even making the source picture??? Fucking bizarre

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 132 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The people inside the house look like they all have dark hair. Maybe in the original it's angels guiding and protecting righteous immigration cops while they're arresting dangerous illegal immigrants (ie flashbanging toddlers)?

edit: nope lol it's jehova's witnesses: "During the great tribulation, Gog of Magog’s forces may try to assault us in our homes. But we can take comfort in knowing that Jesus and his angels are aware of what is happening and will defend us"

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

she gog on magog until I tribulate

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That name and your meme makes the angle looks like the audience of some reality show lol.

it's jehova

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All I did was say to my wife, "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehova!"

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

You're only making it worse for yourself!

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Wild. Thanks for the follow up

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus and his angels are aware of what is happening and will defend us" lmao, they gonna het flashbanged so hard

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Persecution fetish.

Some religious folks believe that at the “end of days” everyone who doesn’t follow the NWO religion or doesn’t have the mark of the beast will be persecuted. If you look very closely you can see the family in the house if praying with their heads down…. meanwhile these are the same people attempting to self fulfill their own prophecy by integrating religion into government

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also these people, who are so adamant in their beliefs that the State is out to get them (or will be in the near future) are almost always in favor of militarizing police and giving them more power in general, if not straight up pushing for it.

Persecution fetish indeed.

[–] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

It seems that they like it like that...

...revelation wasn't a prediction. Apparently it was a fetish.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Fuck I never looked at it that way before. To think they fear this future, yet they are the potential cause of this distopian future

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Some religious folks believe that at the “end of days”

I've legit heard arguments along the lines of "you shouldn't care about climate change because the rapture's going to be any day now. The fact that scientists are still advocating for bullshit like eliminating fossil fuels instead of repenting shows that they're working for the devil trying to drag you to hell with them."

[–] spader312@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like Jehovah Witness Doomsday persecution propaganda

JW love rapture porn

[–] friek@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Maybe canned tuna is the answer.

[–] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably meant that angels are judging the cops actions? Idk

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did an image search and you were right, it's jehova's witnesses: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2022240

"During the great tribulation, Gog of Magog’s forces may try to assault us in our homes. But we can take comfort in knowing that Jesus and his angels are aware of what is happening and will defend us"

Allrighty then.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ex JW here. This is depicting one of the steps in their equivalent to the Rapture. It goes something like this:

  • The UN activates as a full world government, and decides to destroy all religion (if you know the slightest bit about the UN, you can see how absurd this is before we get to anything else)
  • After clearing out everything else, the UN suddenly realizes that Jehovah's Witnesses are still around
  • They attack JWs (what OP's picture depicts), but God intervenes to protect them supernaturally
  • Jehovah wins and tosses Satan in a deep pit
  • Earth is transformed over 1000 years into a paradise. Nobody dies, and previous righteous people are resurrected.
  • At the end of that, Satan is let out again for a final judgment of humanity
  • Satan is killed off for good. Any human survivors live forever on a paradise Earth.

Gog of Magog comes from Ezekiel 38. From the New World Translation: "The word of Jehovah again came to me, saying: 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog of the land of Maʹgog, the head chieftain of Meʹshech and Tuʹbal, and prophesy against him. 3 Say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am against you, O Gog, head chieftain of Meʹshech and Tuʹbal. "

Then, the term pops up again in Revelation 20: "7 Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea."

So Gog is basically another term for Satan in this reading. Though Ezekiel seems to be talking about a people from a specific place.

As a side note, "But we can take comfort in knowing..." is a common phrase in their writing, and I get a little twitch every time I read it.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, wait, wait: is this seriously what JWs believe? I honestly don't know much about them except that they're somehow weird.

Also fun (???) tidbit, that "But we can take comfort in knowing" phrase.

[–] spader312@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes 100%. Born and raised. You grow up your entire life thinking the world is going to end in a few years. Why goto college if the world will end and it won't serve you in the new system? We grow up in terror, see a storm out the window... Is it Armageddon? Constant fear.

Not to mention the fear of being exiled from your friends and family if you "sin". My childhood was lost because I didn't get to celebrate Christmas or Halloween, or goto my friends house from school, or watch Harry Potter or play Pokemon. Instead we went to church twice a week, went knocking door to door at least once a week in the heat and humidity, and did book study once a week where we read their literature and answer simple minded questions about it. Sundays were non-existent because we spent the entire day partaking in those activities.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Shit, I had no idea. That sounds like a fairly anxiety-inducing way to live.

Around the Cretaceous period when I was in elementary school, I had a classmate who was in the JW and their life did sort of seem pretty drab compared to the rest of us, at least based on what they talked about, but I guess it's no surprise that they didn't much venture into the whole Armageddon thing for example, being 7–9yo at the time.

[–] spader312@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is anxiety inducing, it's hard to even realize it because they always keep you busy. And they discourage you from having friends outside the religion and teach you that people outside have miserable lives, they only do drugs, drink alcohol and have sex. Anyone outside is only nice to you because they want to take advantage of you.

Youre taught to be scared of the outside world so you never explore it and realize that normal people really are just normal and most people are actually very friendly and want to help each other, and are a million times less judgemental than other JWs.

In other words, it's a cult.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still disappointed in the relative lack of orgies since getting out. I WAS PROMISED ORGIES, DAMMIT!

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's like the "anti drug education" a lot of us had to sit through as a kid. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE FREE DRUGS I WAS PROMISED DEALERS WERE HANDING OUT????

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, that's their whole outline of the end days. Supposed to happen in the lifetime of people alive in 1914, and there's a whole thing about how they've managed to extend that deadline.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well, the oldest person currently alive was born in 1907, so there's still time!

Good job on getting out of the JW. I heard it is damned difficult.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Takes me back to those Annoying Jesus memes

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you misspelled Awesome Jesus Memes

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That crazy Jesus is always stealing my heroin!

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Humanity: suffers endlessly

"God:" eating popcorn lol you guys suck at this.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Humanity: suffers endlessly

“God,” who supposedly created all aspects about humans, their nature and the world and already knew in advance everything that would happen including humans eating from the tree of knowledge: and who's fault is that?

It's like writing a bad computer program and then being mad at it when it crashes.

God just like me fr fr

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The actual truth if you believe Christian theology. Angels AND God are fully capable of changing things, but free will is sort of like the Prime Directive in Star Trek if you want to be charitable. Uncharitably, we're God's play things and only a tiny fraction of the most loyal will see true reward.

The vast field of ambiguity between those two points is ... kinda' the point in why there has been so much quarrel even between Christian sects.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

free will is sort of like the Prime Directive in Star Trek

That's a really apt comparison because they play fast and loose with the prime directive all the time, using it as an excuse for inaction while flagrantly disregarding it whenever it suits them

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The great irony is, the Prime Directive is to try and control the emotional overreaction of humans and is indeed often ignored by Star Trek for supposedly moral reasons... It is terribly ironic that it makes such a perfect analogy to how God, a supposedly far superior being, is described as acting in the Bible.

In Star Trek, it's ignored to help people. In the Bible, it's ignored because God is having a bad day and needs to lay down some punishment without being labeled a massive hypocrite because daddy do no wrong.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, the christian god its not just capable of changing things, it is omnipotent. That means it could change things without interfering with the free will.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The point about being omnipotent vs free will is... if he does ANYTHING to change our fate, he's corrupting free will, which is supposed to be our greatest gift.

The entire concept of an omniprescient and all powerful being is nonsensical as described by Christians. A being LITERALLY CANNOT be all knowing, all kind, and omnipotent. Not if our reality is involved.

That is why there is so much debate over the nature of god and "good". As described, it is literally impossible, so it becomes incredibly subjective.

Morals are subjective, and so is God.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Strictly talking the logic of it, if you're omnipotent, then you have the power do do anything, and that includes the power to do flagrantly self contradictory things, defy logic and still be logically consistent.

The "if you're omnipotent" part is a pretty big "if", but it's not inconsistent to say that "anything" includes the ridiculous.

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[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

free will is sort of like the Prime Directive in Star Trek if you want to be charitable

This is a hilarious way of putting it, and as someone who hasn't been all that steeped in christianity to be very familiar with it, that actually told me a lot 😄

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[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Getting XCom flashbacks. I'd set up a breach team on the door, and send the rest of the squad round and up that drainpipe so they can drop down from the roof. But best go around the back of the cars so as not to activate through the window.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Getting XCom flashbacks

XCom allows you to flashbang toddlers‽

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

No. That sort of extreme content is prohibited to play on computers, we only allow that sort of shit in real life

[–] Jorgelino@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Do sectoids count? I mean, look at them, that's basically a little alien toddler

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