Sorry to hear he’s in a stable condition.
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Jesus dude. I know right wingers can be absolute cunts but wishing death on them? Really?
Yeah.
I don’t tolerate the intolerant.
There is a difference between not tolerating their shit and wishing people's death.
Edit: spelling
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Violence is supposed to be the last resort to deal with them, I don't see how this is in any way helpful, good or justified.
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If you tolerate the intolerant, the tolerant society shifts to intolerant.
Wishing him dead is fine in my book (since I don't believe in magic anyhow) however encouraging assassination of political figures (as this may turn out to be) is not wise because in future it will be your guy who gets assassinated.
It is in everyone's interest to have peaceful elections to sort out our differences.
"our guys" are being assasinated every day, dying from tough working conditions, starving away on the streets, getting killed by police, dying in another pointless war to see which group of rich people get to exploit a certain corner of the earth, being led to suicide by homophobic and transphobic retoric spread by these people...
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The last time they seized power in Spain, the people had to explode them out of office.
no not wishing death just disappointed to see him alive
They are a little ahead of schedule if our goal is to revive last century's events exactly 100 years afterwards, the civil was was from '36 to '39.
Better start now though, before Germany can bomb the shit out of your cities to help the fascists.
Germany is trying hard to keep the schedule of having a 3rd Reich revival party for the 100 year anniversary, unfortunately.
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any% speedrun.
any% speedrun spanish civil war franco ending
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I don't want to condone violence, but I feel like Spain knows a little too well what happens when we let fascists get comfy...
Accepting violence as a valid political tool for anything other than an absolute last resort is the exact thing that leads to complete and utter chaos. You have to keep in mind that your side is probably not the only side with guns, and those on the other side are also telling themselves that there are plenty of examples of what happens when you let communists get comfy.
Now, I would obviously say that one of these sides is much more in the wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that, unless you want a politics of everyone shooting at each other, political violence should essentially always be condemned, even if it's against your political foes.
That pacifistic stance is based on ideals, but ignores the reality of history and politics. Not everyone shares those ideals, nor are they objectively right. Violence is the only good tool against fascism. Where it fails to stop it, non-violent means would also fail.
I agree, which is why I said violence is a last resort, not something that should be completely sworn off. I don't think Spain is in imminent risk of a Francoist revival, though I can't pretend to be an expert of Spanish politics. But if I'm thinking of European nations at grave risk of backsliding into actual fascism, I'm more inclined to think of Hungary rather than Spain.
How exactly do you define fascism though? Seems like that term gets used quite a bit.
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I said it eleswhere but this assasination attempt is almost certainly not related to spanish politics. The guy is retired and hasn't been in office since 2014. He still is active as a lobbyist for the ‘National Council of Resistance of Iran’ and ‘European Friends of Israel’. He is also considered a terrorist by the Iranian government. So if this is politically motivated, it's way more likely related to the current events in Israel.
So to get this straight: An advocate for the democratic movement against the religious fascist regime in Iran, who was officially declared a terrorist by the iranian regime, was (almost successfully) assassinated and the people in this thread do not condemn or even celebrate it, because he was an elected far right politician almost ten years ago.
@Drama_durch_Lama @gigachad yep pretty much. Just because you dont agree with someone's politics doesnt mean its oke to cheer them being shot in the face. The only time thats oke is during a war.
I'm not to familiar with spanish politics so I will refrain from commenting on it. In my home country far right politicians from 10 years ago would be normal rightwing today, policy wise that is. We had a far-right politician here who got shot and murdered 20 years ago. Today he'd be far left.
I refuse to feel the same way about bad things happening to bigots as I would if they happened to better people.
The insistence that anyone should is misguided at best and abusive at worst. It's okay to have different opinions based on people's words and actions. That's not prejudice. It's just regular judice.
Jesus Christ political violence is not a good road to go down on. Hopefully things won't escalate
How do you shoot someone in the face and he survives ?
You got a lot of face that's not load-bearing.
Shooting someone in the face and them surviving would depend on a bunch of super unpredictable factors. Like, the type of gun and ammo used, the distance of the shot, the angle, and how quick they get medical help.
If it's just a graze or if the bullet somehow misses the major stuff in the face like the brain, that could up the chances of survival. Plus, having top-notch trauma docs on hand could make a huge difference. But for real, it's a roll of the dice situation and totally not something to try to vibe with.
A 22 is like an angry BB gun
The most-used caliber in the world is .22LR, which probably won't kill you unless it hits the brain stem or a major blood vessel to the brain.
Real life is not a video game, headshots don't automatically kill you. People can survive all kinds of weird incidents and likewise die to things that don't seem all that dangerous, like slipping in the shower
Phineas Gage had a iron bar blown through his skull by an unexpected dynamite detonation leaving a hole that a person could reach through from each side and touch their fingers on the inside, and he lived for years afterwards and held jobs and everything.
Then again, John Ritter died when his aorta just spontaneously unzipped inside of his chest. The human body is wild.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
A Spanish rightwing politician and former vice-president of the European parliament is reported to be in a stable condition in hospital after being shot in the face by a masked gunman in a wealthy Madrid neighbourhood.
El País reported that Vidal-Quadras was in a stable condition in Gregorio Marañon hospital and was being treated for a wound to the face.
Spain’s acting prime minister, the socialist leader Pedro Sánchez, conveyed his shock and sadness at the attack.
Sánchez moved a step closer to another term in office on Thursday after his socialist party, the PSOE, won the support of Catalan separatists by offering a deeply controversial amnesty for those who took part in the illegal and failed bid for regional independence six years ago.
The proposed amnesty law has been fiercely condemned by the PP and Vox, who see it as a cynical move to allow Sánchez to remain in power.
“The infamous pact … that will crush the rule of law and end the separation of powers has been agreed,” he wrote on X, formerly know as Twitter, on Thursday morning.
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