its almost always the one thing that is a problem in most low-birth rate countries, that the govt ignores. HCOL, raising a child is very expensive+ political instability, causing deaths and misery.
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I'd really like to see the evidence for this statement, since it really seems like this trend is just an extension of the phenomenon we see in poorer countries: when you give women education, opportunities, and birth control, fewer of them will have children. It stands to reason that the more education, the more opportunities available, and the more freely accessible birth control is, the fewer women will have children.
There is also that sure but biologically people want to have kids, the extreme cost of living experienced by many prevents them from having kids
If that were true, we would expect richer countries to have higher birth rates. Instead, we see roughly the opposite trend. The richer a country gets, typically, the lower the birth rate. You can't tell me that a teacher and a data entry clerk in Virginia are less economically capable of raising children than subsistence farmers in Malawi, no matter how high the rent in Virginia is.
If you want to see high income places with high birth rates, then you end up in very traditional/religious cultures, like Mormons and the Arab petro-states, where women face extremely high cultural pressure (if not force/violence) to be child-bearers.
Richer countries tend to have really shitty work life balances though, You need both money to raise a kid and time to do it as well, if both parents are working full time and barely making rent then of course they aren't going to have kids. Japan and South Korea are perfect examples of this.
I wonder how many are white people with a decent income who have two dogs, want to travel and to play Elden ring.
Me, but I have no dogs and don't play video games.
Me. But I have 3 dogs.
People without financial security: "kids are too expensive and I would be exhausted trying to provide for them"
People with financial security: "I'm having a good time, adding a kid to this mix would really require a step back in my lifestyle."
And yet the people most concerned about birth rates fight the hardest against anything that would make people have more kids
There's also the moral question of "do I want to add a living person to the world I wish I didn't exist in?"
That's why I think if I'm gonna have a kid some day it will be via adoption.
I want kids, but the government is doing their damndest to make it as difficult as possible for us by crashing the economy, cutting all federal programs, staffing agencies with NPCs, etc. Give generous paternity leave stipulations, tax credits, legalize surrogacy, and give credits for AI (artificial insemination) and surrogacy. Not to mention universal healthcare and child care credits.
Make it easy for us to have kids, and we will, lol. Quit cockblocking us.
Quit cockblocking us
It's more like semen blocking
I don’t want kids because I’m selfish with my time and don’t want to dedicate it to taking care of them. I don’t like kids because they are loud, smelly, and annoying.
That’s all there is to it. There’s nothing deep here. I like free time and quiet and don’t want to sacrifice that for 20+ years.
All these people with great rational reasons... Meanwhile, my wife and I just don't like children.
This is my boat... THEN I got a lot of rational reasons I didn't want.
Honestly I don't either, but I am also not above using it as a philosophical cudgel against fascism. If I'm going to get shit for not wanting kids the least I can do is redirect the conversation to politics.
I've never really liked "children" in the sense of the age group, but I know a bunch of people who have really great, meaningful relationships between adult children and their parents, so I wanted adult children in my late middle ages and retirement ages.
Now, with my own children, I primarily see them as future adults who I get to watch develop into cool people.
I'm sure the evolved brain chemical soup would make me like my own selfishly, but generally yeah I just don't like kids. I don't like interacting with them at all. I didn't even when I was one, and I'm certainly not a "cool uncle."
I had to warn my sister before she had her first not to get mad at me for not conforming to some fantasy relationship that might only exist in her head. She's like that, so it was to get ahead of any hurt feelings. I couldn't realistically make that happen even if I wanted to.
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I love my daughter. She’s 4yo. She’s so amazing. But if I knew what I knew now in the US… I would not put her in it.
If I hate the capitalism rat race I'm stuck in with all the uncertainties and the never ending grind and the deteriorating planet, why would I be motivated to bring kids into this world, knowing full well that I don't have the fuck you money needed such that they wouldn't have to go through the same rat race grind as me. Seems cruel.
The economy is going great.
Never want kids = realizing I'll never be able to afford them
~~realizing I'll never be able to afford them~~
realizing I'll never be able to afford them without sacrificing the slightest inch of my current lifestyle
FTFY
I don't fault you. You do you. Just stop blaming the economy.
People have been willingly having children through times tougher than anything you have or ever will experience.
You just don't want kids. And that's fine.
Just stop scapegoating the economy.
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Governments do slim to nothing to invest in supporting their populace education, daycare, cost of living.
Why would I bring life into this country to experience the harsh, expensive, cold existence?
They cant even properly care for the sick or elderly. Only thing they care about is making money off of us.
most of them are just nagging, or trying to encourage more sex. no support for mothers and childcare, housing, wage crisis, political issues, climate issues. the wealthy dont want any of this to happen so thats why they have used propaganda and culture wars/
That’s why Donald loves the uneducated.
Any politician in a democracy would love the uneducated. My country is the prime example, literally all the parties just want to impress the dumb and uneducated
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