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submitted 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) by lydon_feen@lemm.ee to c/games@lemmy.world
 

With the official reveal of the mouse mode for the Switch 2's controllers there is the potential for so many classic games to flood the console.

Imagine what it could do with graphical adventure games, RTS games, management sims, etc.

We already know CIV VII will use the mouse, and I just hope this is just the beginning for a whole range of traditionally non-console games to finally make it to the platform.

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[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Am I the only one thinking that a huge chunk of the initial audience are Nintendo adults who already have a pc for main games and a switch on the side?

Feels like this gimmick (although every new Nintendo console gets one) was so forced just to upsell a switch 1 and justify splitting the community with exclusive releases. Really sad to see mk world not playable with a player base on switch 1. Most next gen were happily bought enough with a reasoning in increasing hardware (which the switch 2 really also does well).

Just the predatory move of splitting or even passively force the playerbase to leave behind the switch 1, makes the mouse sensor so MEH.. I mean.. lackluster in my eyes. Idk

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sure but the switch is 10 year old hardware. You know what else was released at that time? The iPhone 6s....do you currently use an iPhone 6s?

[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

yes lol. I also have a 4070ti though

EDIT: I have no clue where this could be a relevant argument

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

Yea I use a 2080ti and currently am playing FTL (2012) I have no room to talk lol

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I can't wait for it to be a thing that only a small handful of actually good 3rd party titles use that feature and the rest are gonna be 1st party titles shoehorning it in to say "Look at our fancy new feature we swear nobody has ever done before! Trust me!".

[–] lydon_feen@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I can absolutely see it happen.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Just like the camera!

[–] O_R_I_O_N@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago
[–] Vipsu@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

It's a funny gimmick but all the competitors already have support mouse and keyboard. You can also use them in some games like Sims 4 or Cities: Skylines.

But guess this mouse mode could also encourage 3rd party developers to add mouse and keyboard support for their games on consoles.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 49 minutes ago

Awww yisssss

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 54 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

So... its $50 more than an LCD, 256 GB Steam Deck (the Switch 2 is also LCD).

A Deck has two touchpads that work as mice.

And you can buy a real mouse with those $50 bucks you saved.

Oh right and it has a bigger screen, can run almost every modern to ancient PC game, and basically every retro game if you can handle an EmuDeck or RetroDeck guided installer, oh and it also just is a computer that does everything a mid tier linux laptop can do.

It can even run Switch games, and probably will be able to run Switch 2 games in... what, 2 years? 3 years?

I'm really not trying to rain on the parade here, but uh... yeah I do not understand the cost benefit analysis on a Switch 2 vs a Deck unless:

You really, really want to play Switch 2 games soon

OR

The Switch 2 somehow has vastly superior performance to a Steam Deck

... I kinda doubt that last one being the case, but the specs aren't out yet (afaik) so I guess it is possible.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 12 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

From my 12y old kids perspective:

The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.

There is no difficult choice for him.

He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.

[–] Jestzer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not just 12 year old kids either; this is how most people in the console market make their decisions. They prioritize the availability of games on the console over the hardware’s specifications and operating system.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 1 points 25 seconds ago

Yup. I want to play Prime 4 and DK Bananza at some point. I don't need to play them day 1, but I'll want to play them eventually. And I'll want to play the inevitable Pikmin 5 and Smash Bros 6.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Problem is, the steam deck plays both of those things. Steam deck just needs windows for fartnight

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I think Lemmy often forgets that kids exist and are the target audience for Nintendo games. I say good for them, it might be hella expensive but at least Nintendo appears to be providing a "safe" place for kids to use the internet. There's really nothing for kids anymore these days other than getting an eating disorder on tiktok.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

We got the nieces and nephews 3DSes, my brother sideloaded some emulators on them and it has been the best

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yep, I already said the Switch 2 makes sense if all you care about is playing Switch 2 games.

I am not trying to aruge that the Deck is just hands down, inherently superior in all cases, for everyone.

I hope there's a way for you to put parental controls on your 12 yo's Fortnite account's ability to buy microtransactions, and that you have enough time to teach them how to identify and disregard all the dark patterns in the game that encourage irresponsible spending habits, as well as resist all the social peer pressure that comes with an MTX heavy game.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 14 points 16 hours ago

In my local pricing, my 512GB LCD deck was almost 300$ cheaper than the switch 2 lol.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

I am a huge proponent of the steam deck but there are a few things you’re kind of leaving out here

  1. You would be surprised how many people actually don’t have a mouse on hand. But if they do, you do have to calculate that into the cost.

  2. you need a dock or at least a cheap USB-C dongle unless the only thing you plan on hooking up to the steam deck is your mouse, which would be feasible but unusual.

  3. The deck is getting a little longer in the tooth. I love it, I use it a ton, but it is definitely starting to show its age.

  4. It can’t play Nintendo switch/switch 2 games natively, which many people who shit on Nintendo (I am one of those people don’t get me wrong) tend to forget is a pretty huge part of the appeal of Nintendo platforms.

  5. if you plan on doing Couch multiplayer, the steam deck is really not a viable option compared to the switch unless you invest in a bunch of other stuff

[–] tkohldesac@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I agree with everything except #5. If you want to play couch multiplayer for the switch with two people you’re set with the tiny joycons. If you want any comfort playing those games you’re investing in at LEAST as many controllers as you have couch players and the same can be said about the deck. But the Deck has options and years of hardware options that are far more inexpensive than the $90 joycons or $80 pro controllers at launch. Given time I’m sure there may be options for the S2 but I think the Deck has far more inexpensive options for multiplayer.

That said, the deck dock is expensive so maybe my argument is entirely moot.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A 10usd Chinese knockoff Bluetooth controller works well enough for multi-player. The true little brother experience is to play with the shitty controller.

For the steam deck, you'd have to buy 2 controllers (potentially both shitty), so the benefit for the switch is still there.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

So buy 2 $10 controllers for the steam deck and still save money since the switch costs $50 more to begin with.

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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

$90 per game. That's an instant deal breaker.

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah... I was thinking about getting my first Nintendo console, but these prices are ridiculous even if it's "only" $80 for a digital game.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Bro, Mario 64 is the same game as Mario Sunshine is the same game as Mario galaxy is the same game as Mario Odyssey. Just get a cheaper console. Done.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Plus the Switch barely had any exclusive games. For a Nintendo console anyway. Perhaps that‘s something Nintendo is working on now, but I doubt it can compete with PC games in terms of bang you get for your buck. There‘s just no way.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

wait wait wait.

Fucking... what?

... Are they trying to preempt the expected 'GTA 6 MSRPs for $120, base edition and breaks all video game pricing' thing?

I'm seeing $80 for Mario Kart World.

puts on eyepatch and peg leg

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

$80 digital. $90 physical. With the added spite that the "physical" copy is just a cartridge that loads a code for the game download. It's just a $10 plastic box with an SD card with a download code inside.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It‘s interesting they abandoned physical media completely and nobody is talking about it. This makes them a direct competitor to Steam and well… let‘s just say I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop any time soon.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Nintendo shop regularly runs deals similar to Steam. Usually at around the same times of year. Same with PlayStation. I run games on all three platforms. You have to be kind of a sucker these days to buy a game at full price when it's first released. But none of what I said makes $80 games reasonably priced.

[–] Kelly@programming.dev 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop

Not 1st party sure, but there is a weekly deal cycle where 3rd party publishers compete to stand out.

https://www.dekudeals.com/games?filter%5Bcritic_score%5D=70&filter%5Bplatform%5D=switch&filter%5Bformat%5D=digital&filter%5Bdiscount%5D=discounted

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

That's something at least. Now Nintendo needs to actually advertise their shop and those deals instead of yet another wave of retro ports.

Though it's probably worth mentioning I'm not going to buy a Switch 2 anyway. I'm more of an observer from the PC gaming sidelines.

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[–] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The Switch 2 footage of Elden Ring did look better than what I can get out of my Steam Deck. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a performance advantage (perhaps thanks to native DLSS and frame generation) for the next year or two.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I suggest you check out Decky FrameGen.

The technicals are ... very complex, but the upshot is: It basically injects FrameScaling/FrameGen modes into games that don't officially support them on AMD hardware.

So... I've done this with CP2077, and if I understand this right, basically it injects FSR3, but under the DLSS settings under the game's options menu... and it works better than the game's current officially supported FSR 2 for the Deck.

Elden Ring may also be able to benefit from it.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I mean with those price tags you expect games to look better. Anything else would be ridiculous.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You really, really want to play Switch 2 games soon

Or without having to learn to emulate. Or play coop/multiplayer with the joycons.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

To be fair, there is no guarantee you‘ll be able to emulate Switch 2 games as soon and easily as Switch games. You just might, but we really don‘t know for sure.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 30 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Glad to know that Nintendo admits PCs are the best way to game lol.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 26 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I mean... A gaming mouse is probably cheaper than the controller alone lol

[–] lydon_feen@lemm.ee 14 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

But that's an alternative, and the games obviously aren't made with that in mind.

This is an integral part of the system and obviously games would specifically work with it.

It's a small game changer (IMO).

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

i can't imagine that will be comfortable to use for any significant amount of time.

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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That looks much less comfortable than the way the Lenovo Legion handles it.

...also the pessimist in me is afraid this will result in less games with gyro aiming support...

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 12 hours ago

I mean...gyro support is such a niche thing. The PS3 controller introduced gyro support - what used it? There's examples, but not many, because most games are made to be multi platform, and programming in gyro controls is a lot harder than most other controls

Nintendo is an exception because they have a lot of exclusives - gyro support is a lot more appealing to implement if all of the devices have it, plus they probably encouraged it

I wouldn't worry about it too much, the incentive for exclusives to have it remains, this is a tool for porting to the switch and exploring new control schemes more than anything else

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