Finnish is actually 9*10+2
Yhdeksänkymmentäkaksi
Yhdeksän = nine
Kymmentä = of ten
Kaksi = two
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Finnish is actually 9*10+2
Yhdeksänkymmentäkaksi
Yhdeksän = nine
Kymmentä = of ten
Kaksi = two
I'm actually impressed by this map. The French speaking part of Switzerland is not only differentiated from the German speaking part, it is also differently coloured than France, since Swiss French has more sensible numbers.
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Isn't it mostly 9*10+2? 9 * ty (implying 10) + 2.
Even german does that, although weirdly the way you can't just write down long numbers reasily one by one: Zwei (2) und ((and) neun- (9) -zig (*10)).
That meme is so lame. 92 in Danish is two and a half fives. The 20 part is old-fashioned and literally nobody has used that since the 1800s.
2 and a half fives' twentieth = outdated cringe. 2 and a half fives = actually how it is said today.
It's still a friggin nightmare to get someone's Phone number verbally, though.
That only makes it worse.
Two and a half fives = 12.5.
More like 2 and half fives. Half five is our word for 90. So in essence we say 2 and 90 but the word 90 is half five.
80 is fours
70 is half fours
60 is threes
50 is half threes
40 is forty
30 is thirty
20 is twenty
10 is ten.
Oh and a 100 is a hundred. So I dunno what happened between 50 and 90, but I'm sure there is a funny story behind that somewhere.
More like 2 and half fives.
Even worse! That would be an indeterminate number that starts at 7 and goes up by 2.5 increments depending on how many half fives there are (since in this version it's not specified, but has to be more than one).
7, 9.5, 12, 14.5...
I love this. I thought English had some crazy aspects but this is next level.
You're just digging yourself and Denmark into deeper hole. It's fucked up and you know it
Dane here. No one actively thinks of 90 (halvfems, 2 and a half fives) as a mathematical expression. Is is just a word for 90. So we say 2+90 like Germany.
Would it have been nice if that word meant "9 tens", yes, but Danish is a just a stupid language where you have to learn a bunch of things by heart unfortunately.
Not Danish here... Isn't that 12.5?
No, in Danish the "half five" part means the same as "half past 4" on the clock: 4.5.
Then the part that most people omit nowadays, sindstyvende, means times 20.
(Half past 4) times 20 = 90.
It's breaking my brain too, what is this cryptography lmao
When you have to write down numbers, but the person reading you the numbers speaks slowly 💀
Them: "Two..."
Me: "2"
Them: "... and fifty"
Me: "... ~~2~~ - 52"
Them: "Six..."
Me: "6"
Them: "... and twenty."
Me: "~~6~~ - 26"
🫠
Denmark = outdated cringe
Just kidding neighbor, I love you all
Note to self: For learning a scandinavian language - learn Swedish instead of Danish.
If you learn swedish, you can speak danish. Just put a hot potato in your mouth
Ehh, i'm not giving France a pass either.
The answer to 100 - 8 should not be four twenties and a twelve. We're counting, not making change.
French counting is bunk. Way, Way, better then Denmark though apparently
the thing nobody mentions is that the 4x20 part became a word that just means 80 in people's mind, it kinda not literal anymore, but the Swiss and Belgian ways are still better (edit the 4x20+10 is similarly just 90)
French language uses math to speak numbers if anyone is wondering about France.
Edit: Apparently I wasn't precise enough for the dude below. It starts at 70 and ends at 99 every time you get to those numbers. De rien, tabarnak.
Not quite. They just have remnants of an old base 20 system that kicks in for specific numbers.
Is this a Michael Hobbes joke?
For a real explanation of this watch this illuminating video.
TL;DW According to the perons, it's based on counting sheep and from base 20. 1 score = 20 sheep. 2 score = 40 sheep.
To get to 50, you have 2.5 score, but they don't say "two and a half". They are quite Germanic and say "halfway to 3" (Germans do this too). So, 50 = half three score.
The video also points out that English has (as the hodgepodge of a language it is) yet another remnant of Germanic languages: 13-19 are not "te(e)n-three to te(e)n-nine", but "three-te(e)n to nine-te(e)n", just like in German "drei-zehn bis neun-zehn".
It's quite easy to mock other languages, but there's always a reason for why things are the way they are. Think of Chesterton's fence.
I agree 13 -19 in English are out of place, and 11-12 are left over from duodecimal, however changing some spoken order is way less cursed that doing fraction multiplication.
I for one, would love if we started saying ten-one, ten-two, etc.
This small part of Danish is definitely fair game to tease. It's all in good fun!
Even worse. 90 in old Danish is "halvfemsindstyve" but it is rarely used today. The "sinds" part is derived from "sinde" means multiplied with but it is not in use in Danish anymore. That leaves halvfems, meaning half to the five (which is not used alone anymore) and tyve meaning twenty (as it still does).
We are in current Danish shortening it to halvfems which actually just means "half to the five" in old Danish (2.5) to say 90. 92 is then "tooghalvfems" (two and half to the five, or 2+2.5). The "sindstyve" part (multiplied with 20) fell out of favour.
So we at least have some rules to the madness. Were just not following them at all anymore.
Quatre-vingt douze isn’t incredibly onerous when you use it in practice.
Quatre-vingt dix huit or quatre-vingt dix neuf are definitely more of a mouthful and illustrate the point better.
Norway used to count like the Germans, but switched after the introduction of the telephone. There were simply too many mistakes when telling the numbers to the operators, that a change was mandated.
Old people might still use the 2+90 variant though, but it is not very common.
I'm German and our way of counting is genuinely stupid. 121 would translate to "onehundred one and twenty". You'd think it's just a matter of practice but errors related to mixing up digits are statistically more common in German speaking regions. Awesome when it comes to stuff like calculating medication dosages and such. Like it's not a huge issue but it's such an unneccessary layer of confusion.
I'm bilingual and switch back and forth a lot between languages when I'm not home. As such I often mess this up half way through calculating something.
That's four goddamn numbers in a row!
We can also do 2+90 here in the UK. There's a nursery rhyme about "four and twenty blackbirds" that I think the kids are still learning.
Fun fact, english used to count the same way as german, and it still has the numbers in "reverse" from 13 to 19.