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Ideally I'd like to be able to manage the lock using a open source self hosted home automation system.

If you have a favorite door lock, I'd love to hear it.

I used to use lockstate ($1 a month subscription): per user codes, notification when a code was used, time restricted codes, one time use codes.. all very handy features

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[–] Thanatos931@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (6 children)

None of them. As a programmer, the only people you're keeping out with those are the people who wouldn't break into your home anyway. As soon as one of those hits the market, its out dated and no longer safe. Security is always playing catch up, just look at Kia as an example. Right now, you (yes you, with potentially no tech background) can go on the internet and download a program to a key fob using youtube as a guide, and steal a brand new Kia. Never trust one of these "smart" locks, a burglar is only one youtube video away.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 24 points 11 months ago

Picking the lock is extremely easy as well. A lock isn't going to stop anyone who really wants to get in anywhere. But it's enough of a deterrent to stop 99% of would-be burglars.

Kia is a really bad example because they fucked up bad. They and Hyundai are exceptions. How easy is it to steal a car from a company that isn't a complete joke? Could you steal a Toyota or Honda just as easily?

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's not usually the software on these locks that fail.. You can make secure radio equipment. What does code have to do with it?

Most locks aren't that secure anyway, and windows suck. I would only bother with this if I had a lot of money (and enemies) to secure everything around my house.

Locking down your stuff is more of an insurance thing, not a real security problem.

[–] HamBrick@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think to sum security up: locks, or key fobs, are made to keep the honest people honest. You’re not stopping a determined person

[–] IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Best thing to do is use an arduino/rasb pi code it yourself or hire me to write the shitty code. Shitty is the key word here. The more obscure and idiotic we can make the code and system the better chance we have. Make the deadbolt backwards so if the intruder tries to walk it with a knife they lock it further

[–] HamBrick@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Second this. Bad code is best code.

[–] IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

If I can’t understand my code how is a intruder supposed to

[–] legion02@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Could be said about physical locks as well though.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

Yup. No chance I'd hook up any of my access devices to a network, including my garage door. I use a simple electronic codepad just so I don't have to wrangle keys in the dark, and I can program separate codes for people I can delete at any time. Less convenient, but security > convenience.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally would not use one, but make sure to search the loocks name on youtube. There is a channel dedicated to this stuff (The lockpicking lawyer) and most electric door locks are a not very secure.

[–] kia@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, he usually shows that no lock is secure.

[–] IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

He hasn’t been able to pick bowley and the people that can are few and far between

[–] skatrek47@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I use the new Yale Assure without keyways, it makes me feel like I’m blocking pickers but I realize that if someone wanted to break in they could just smash one of my many windows. I like the convenience of not having a key on me and being able to have the pet sitters and cleaning people let themselves in with their own codes so I know when they come and go, but that’s just me!

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they could just smash one of my many windows

Note that smashing windows is a very shitty way to break into a house: it makes a lot of noise, very quickly raises suspicion of people passing by, getting into a house like that is harder, slower, you risk cutting yourself with random pieces of glass etc.

A person breaking into a house like that either knows precisely what they want and is prepared to act fast, or is an idiot who wants to go to jail

[–] skatrek47@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Fair, my point was that it’s hard to stop someone who is determined to actually get in… I refer everyone to infamous LPL episode 801 https://youtu.be/lod_LUp3ggc πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

How often do you need to revoke a key code?

Are ordinary physical keys actually inadequate for your use case?

(Companies go out of business and product lines are canceled. Tech of ten years ago looks clunky now.)

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If I have a friend coming over, I'd like to be able to give them a time limited code to use. If I have a repairman coming over the same.

Physical keys work fine, but once I tasted the sweet freedom of giving a friend one of my backup codes so they could drop something off while I was across town was amazing.

[–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Keep a key in an exterior combination safe or equivalent, those that need access for a little while get the code to that safe, then you change the code when they're done. Would that work?

[–] lps2@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Any z-wave or ZigBee lock like those from Schlage are great. You can then integrate it into Home Assistant where there are great integrations like keymaster that make it super simple to do management like what you've mentioned

[–] Today@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I use ultraloq. It's easy to send someone a code, lock/unlock remotely, and set fingerprints.

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I use the Schlage Encode and have no issues with it. I don't know how it plays with a self hosted home automation though. I usually just punch in a code or use the app to open.

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