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With the recent happenings in the United States, the dangers of the privately owned Internet is more apparent than ever, and frankly, it's scary. And so I'd like to make a simple request to anyone who is reading this; Please use the Fediverse, just a little more.

I personally hate it when I'm stuck having to visit say, YouTube or Reddit to get information, or to entertain myself in quiet moments, and if you're reading this, the likely chance is you're the same.

All I want to ask of you is to just comment a few more times, press send on that post that you felt wasn't of enough substance to be worth anyone's time. We have such a small community compared to everywhere else, but what we do have in common is that, in the grand scheme of things, we are the early adopters. And if we take that to heart and make this space a little bigger, maybe it will be just big enough we won't have to visit walled gardens so often.

Thank you :)

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[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I was recently banned from reddit.

On all my accounts.

Across four email addresses.

Simultaneously.

Many of which haven't been used in months. Years in some cases.

So - banned on one account linked to one address. Accounts linked to four other email addresses were banned. None of those accounts have been logged into from any device the account I got banned from was being used on.

The emails are linked to my phone number though.

So. Two steps ahead of you. But. They are either using some kind of NLP to identify the way I write. Or google is sharing that the accounts are linked to my phone number.

Anyway. Reddit can fuck right off. And I'll be buying a burner phone with cash to make some accounts soon.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 hour ago

Google is sharing the details. Reddit is lousy with Google trackers. You literally can't log in without Google and gstatic trackers being active. Only old.reddit.com doesn't send Google your views.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 55 minutes ago

How do you know your accounts weren't part of a ban wave? It doesn't necessarily mean they linked them through your phone.

[–] greeneyestyle@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

I just deleted most of my other social media apps and am trying to lean into the fediverse and nostr as much as I can.

[–] Ekpu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not using other social media annymore. Lemmy was my first introduction to the fediverse. Now I am also using Mastodon and experiment with a hubzilla hub on my homeserver.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I'm a fediverse supporter (obviously, that's why I'm here), however what you're looking for requires a critical mass of users that the fediverse (at least the Lemmy side of it) will never achieve as long as two very critical problems persist:

  1. sign up is confusing. People are used to clicking "create an account," inputting a user name, password, and maybe an email, and then BAM they're a user. I realize the whole instance thing is the entire point, but no one wants nor expects to have to do significant research and make a decision about how they want to interact with a social media site before they've even started using it.

  2. the site (or at least lemmy.world) is sooo slooow. Basic functions like loading images take me back to the dial-up era of "click the image then do something else while it loads," which is downright ridiculous in the 2020s. Again I've stuck with it because I want to support the fediverse, but 99% of users won't.

And no, these aren't "features not bugs" unless you want to keep the site small and homogenous.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 53 minutes ago

but no one wants nor expects to have to do significant research and make a decision about how they want to interact with a social media site before they've even started using it.

Then just directly recommend specific, general purpose instances to people.

[–] umean2me@discuss.online 4 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

I honestly don't understand point 1. no matter how much people say it.

Maybe I'm naive because it wasn't confusing to me personally, but it is only one extra step to create an account. When people explain the Fediverse to new people they compare it to e-mail anyway, which basically has the exact same sign-up structure. The only difference to me is the way it is advertised. Nobody in general says "you need to join e-mail", it's usually "join GMail" or "join Yahoo". I don't know how it would be solved without detracting from the "choose the instance that is right for you" experience though, since the instances with the most support and funding will obviously hold the most influence (as we currently see with lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, not to mention pixelfed.social).

IDK maybe I'm wrong, lmk, but I don't think choosing an instance is all the friction it's said to be.

The big instances are definitely slower though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 50 minutes ago

I think you're drastically underestimating how even small steps like that can tune a ton of people out. If they're only sort of on the fence about it it might be enough to make it not worth it. Or maybe they'll think they'll check later but never get around to it.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

I was confused by #1 before I got a grasp of Lemmy then I realized lemmy.world is the largest instance and I can just sign up here.

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Nobody in general says "you need to join e-mail", it's usually "join GMail" or "join Yahoo". I don't know how it would be solved without detracting from the "choose the instance that is right for you" experience though

No I think you're right, give them an instance. They won't have enough knowledge to choose an instance anyways. If they don't like the one you gave them then they can move later.

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I agree with you on 1. I hope it never fucking changes. The worst thing that could happen is we get the critical mass of dipshits that turns every online service into a fucking shit tornado.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I already use fediverse an unhealthy amount, if I do more I might die.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

you aren't social mediaing right unless it makes you bleed

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think advertising here is necessary 😉

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

They posted the same on reddit. It's an open letter to humans.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 12 points 6 hours ago

Maybe in the coming 4 years people will finally understand why handing over everything to corps isn't great. Whether they'll do anything with that understanding is questionable though. The amount of "but it's so easy" and "I'm just one person" doomerism is fantastic.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Since all this shit started happening I've deleted all the social media apps on my phone and I've started using lemmy more. Gonna switch my YouTube shit over to peertube when I can.

Intending to actually delete my accounts in the coming weeks too. Bye bye, 13 year old reddit account. Nobody gonna miss ya.

Tbf I have been using Nebula a lot since I signed up pretty cheaply and I enjoy it. It's owned by the creators. Found it through Jacob Geller.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bye bye, 13 year old reddit account.

don't forget to delete your comments there!

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean if the account is deleted it's no longer tied (to the puboic at least), and I'm not about to fool myself into thinking my internet use is actually secure.

[–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 hours ago

YouTube is a bit of an issue as unlike the others there's a lot of content and information you can't get elsewhere.

I've been considering using a proxy to scrape and download subscriptions and add them to a personal server. Probably not practical to do for everything though with how much space that would be.

At the very least see if there's a wrapper that can strip out a lot of content and just show the stuff I want to watch VS all the nonsense they fire at you.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Ok. I'll start commenting more literally right now.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 57 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] frankspurplewings@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a list or links somewhere of the defederated basic site replacements?

Like I know about Lemmy (replacement for reddit), Loops (replacement for ticktock/reels), and pixelfed (replacement for insta). Oh and I switched from Spotify to tidal. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Is there a YouTube replacement? Thats really the next big media channel I use daily..

Thanks Lemmy friends 💜

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

This is a good place to start: https://fedidb.org/software/

I like the idea of PeerTube and hope it catches on, but I wouldn't call it a YouTube replacement at this point. There are services that feed youtube content to users remotely though (there is/was a link-converter bot that went around that annoyed some people here, but a) can't remember the name, and b) can't remember the actual software involved).

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

I'd love to see nothing but PeerTube links in the fediverse. YouTube has become almost unusable for me.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 2 points 6 hours ago

Piped bot I believe it was called?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

can’t remember the name

https://invidious.io/

But nowadays I would rather recommend https://grayjay.app/ or https://freetubeapp.io/

[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 112 points 14 hours ago (19 children)

I think 90% of my posts are deleted before sending because I just know that someone somewhere will find a way to be mad about it

But OK - here is a post that I would usually have deleted :)

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The trick, plumbercraic, is not minding that they will be mad.

[–] moodymellodrone@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 hours ago

Over the years I've learned it's ok to ignore if it seems like someone wants to pick a fight. Not everything has to be a debate, and no it doesn't make you look weak. You just got better shit to do than argue with strangers on the internet. :)

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 60 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

As Someone Somewhere, I urge you to post more.

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 13 hours ago

I cannot believe this account is two years old and not made just for this comment haha.

[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 28 points 13 hours ago

OMG really? How COULD you...

Neglect to offer your valuable opinion. Hey, you're a human and have valuable things to say. Haters gon hate. Fuck 'em.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 8 hours ago

I've taken on the mantra of "Participate, but be respectful." That's led me to post a few times where I normally wouldn't.

Realize that there is nothing wrong with pissing someone off because they disagree with you. It's only wrong if you pissed them off because of how you said it, or if you are closed minded about being proven wrong.

And in the real world, a down vote doesn't matter.

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[–] MentorKitten@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of times I'll write out a comment and end up deleting it. Most times it's because I feel like it's something that's already been said or not worth reading but I'll try to be less of a lurker.

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm in the exact same boat. But I kind of realized, if I want to see a bigger fediverse, I'll have to help build it up. As the classic saying goes, you can lead a horse to water; but first there's gotta be water. So thank you for taking up the cause of building this lake :)

actually i don't think that's the saying

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[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 6 points 9 hours ago

wish I could upvote this a thousand times

[–] serfraser@sopuli.xyz 17 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I'm back after a year away. My two favourite niche interests (wrestling & fantasy books) still don't have hugely active communities but I'll start pitching in again with some lukewarm takes.

[–] frankspurplewings@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What fantasy book community is it? I've been looking for one and haven't found one yet

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Probably !fantasy@lemmy.ml

Not the most active, but didn't find anything better

[–] serfraser@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago

That's the one

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[–] youngbullhowling@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago

I’ve started explaining this to non-techies. Hopefully starting to gain a little traction as the meta/ticktock machine becomes more and more egregious. Also this is speeding up the homelab I’m building.

I’d add the appropriate meme but I’m new here.

I’m doing my part .gif
[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 46 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

2025 year of the fediverse???

Jokes aside, i completely agree. Meta and Xitter completely shot themselves in the foot (lol) and pixelfed is gaining mainstream attention, and the new year just started!

I predict we'll gain a massive influx of new users next year, due to the kindness of Zucc and Muskrat 😊

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