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[–] procrastitron@lemmy.world 98 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

My stubborn position is that all fruits are vegetables.

Anything that comes from a plant (vegetation) is a vegetable.

EDIT: Reading up on the case, they apparently didn’t treat fruits and vegetables as disjoint sets but rather with fruits as a subset of vegetables. So far, so good…

HOWEVER, they also apparently ruled that tomatoes don’t count as a fruit because they aren’t eaten for dessert…

Wow… just… wow.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fruit is a scientific term. Vegetable is a culinary term.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 86 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fruit is also a culinary term that is not identical to its meaning as a scientific term

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

That's the one the SCOTUS used.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There we go. A tomato can be a fruit and not a fruit at the same time.

[–] Ihnivid@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh cool, now we can namedrop Schrödinger into this to give an even more educated impression.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That only makes you seem educated to the uneducated

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[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a former worker at a steel plant, I concur.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] crowbar@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Care to explain to this poor guy?

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anything that comes from a plant is a vegetable

former worker at a steel plant concurs

Implying that steel workers are brainless

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[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 28 points 2 months ago (26 children)

because they aren’t eaten for dessert

This sounds to me like a reasonable way to disqualify something as a culinary fruit.

Folks like to make a big hullabaloo about tomatoes being technically a fruit, but no one gives a second thought about referring to peppers, cucumbers, green beans, eggplant, avocado, pumpkins & other squash, or corn on-the-cob as vegetables even though they are all technically fruit.

And I was being picky there, because beans, peas, grains and nuts are all also technically fruit. Heck, lots of “nuts” like peanuts and cashews aren’t even really nuts.

Keep your taxonomy out of my kitchen:

  • Fruit are sweet.
  • Vegetables are not.
  • Grains make bread.
  • Herbs and spices add a lot of flavor with a little bit. Herbs are the green ones.
  • nuts are. They just are. Don’t think about it too hard.
[–] geissi@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Fruit are sweet. Vegetables are not.

Carrots, caramelized onions?

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Fruits are edible seed pods. Nuts are inedible seed pods but have edible seeds.

Fruit makes wine.

Grain makes beer

Nuts in the right contexts make nougat, nut paste or babies.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's not really a stubborn position. That's definitively true.

All fruits are vegetables; not all vegetables are fruit.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 44 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Vegetables aren’t actually a thing though. Just a bunch of things we grouped because we like eating them.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There's no such thing as a fish

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes there is. Taxonomists aren't the only people who give meaning to words

[–] grissino@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Taxonomists aren't the only people who give meaning to words"

Eloquently put! You've expressed a feeling that I have had for a while now and couldn't quite put into the appropriate words! Thanks 🙏🏼

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[–] nilclass@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

True. They are just water based government drones, to keep tabs on the mermaid population

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (8 children)

*within taxonomy, I think most people can conceive of a fish in colloquial terms.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Botanically is there such thing as a "vegetable"?

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 28 points 2 months ago

Botanical vs culinary. Different contexts; different definition per context. There is not a problem here.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Fruit" within culinary is usually applied to "sweeter" forms of fruits, and the more savory forms usually get called "vegetable" instead regardless of being botanically called fruits or not.

[–] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

Tomatoes are sweet

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893), is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court unanimously held that tomatoes should be classified as vegetables rather than fruits for purposes of tariffs, imports and customs. Justice Horace Gray delivered the opinion of the Court in holding that the Tariff Act of 1883 used the ordinary meaning of the words "fruit" and "vegetable", instead of the technical botanical meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden

Yeah, I genuinely don't see the problem here. There are much weirder classifications with regards to tariffs. (Note that I haven't been able to fact check this, is could be a popular urban legend.) Converse shoes have a felt lining that makes them considered slippers instead of shoes. The practice is called tariff engineering. (That page lists the Converse thing, so maybe it's actually true.)

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It doesn't matter why are you roleplaying as a botanist if you don't see that culinary definitions and scientific classification are two separate things. One is really useless for the average person and the other is probably also a foreign concept to everyone having quirky discussions about whether cakes are hotdogs or smoothies, because they are the type of people to tweet a 60 page essay about why expecting neurodivergents people to cook their own meal should be considered a hate crime.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Tomatoes don't belong in a fruit salad

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Stupid meme. Many other countries also classify tomatoes in with vegetables for various commerce regulation and taxation purposes. That case was just capitalists trying to get out of paying tariffs by nitpicking the definition of a tomato

I hate these things where people twist reality just so they can make a cute "Americans are so dumb" meme. If you want to bash the US, there are plenty of relevant topics to choose from for criticism. Better yet, read a book once in a while instead of just scrolling the internet and grabbing random shit that's gone viral.

And BTW, what's a fruit or vegetable is not some objective Sacred Truth that science "discovered", it's that science came up with a system of categorizing plants that people deemed to be useful for the study of Botany, just as legislators came up with a slightly different classification useful for taxation, and regular people also classify them in a way that's useful for cooking purposes. This is not a situation where Science! is an almighty God. It's just ways of sorting things. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad."

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

Vegetable isn't even a botanical definition.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because Fruits were taxed higher than vegetables, so importers started listing them as a vegetable.

It's tax dodges all the way down.

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just a list of items we normally think of as veggies, but actually fruit: cucumbers, squash, peppers, eggplants, avocados, pumpkins.

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 4 points 2 months ago

The real misconception is that people conflate culinary terms with biological terms.

Are actually fruit

No, they are culinary vegetables. They are also biological fruits. AFAIK "vegetable" does not even have meaning in biology

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're also a Native American food that was made famous by Italians, celebrated by the Spanish, honoured by the French, used by the English and turned into Ketchup by the Americans .... another bit of multicultural history of America.

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[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What's the deal with the background? Screenshots aren't what they used to be, back in my day the worst that could happen was for the image to turn into a pixelated mess after being re-uploaded 1000 times.

Now I sometimes see images getting tilted by 5%, random words crossed out in yellow, and whatever the fuck happened here.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Idk, I stole the meme from somewhere

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Like when the state of Indiana [attempted to change] the definition of pi

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Almost changed the definition of pi. It passed the House, but a professor from Purdue happened to be in the Statehouse on unrelated business the day the Senate voted on it. He managed to convince enough Senators that it was a terrible idea and they absolutely roasted it on the floor.

The Wikipedia article on it is great. "Legislative History" is the interesting bit. My favorite part is this:

An assemblyman handed [Prof. Waldo] the bill, offering to introduce him to the genius who wrote it. He declined, saying that he already met as many crazy people as he cared to.

[–] FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

"(...) he already met as many crazy people as he cared to."

My spirit animal.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

Very relatable

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

Fruits are a subset of vegetables.

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