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Spence will receive a cash severance of $1,875,000, per SEC filings. He will also get $7,500 per month and serve as a Sonos board advisor until June, and his unvested shares will vest.

If I was this bad at my job, I'd be shitcanned with no compensation. It's pretty cool how we reward failure at the highest levels.

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just as a way to soothe the outrage about this POS of an app: A fair share of the problem can be minimised by using Home Assistant and Music Assistant to control the Sonos devices. This way you very rarely need to actually use the app anymore.

Which is good because it's indeed shit.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I’ll have to try Music Assistant - I use HA and the Spotify app

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Are the speakers themselves good though?

[–] Drathro@dormi.zone 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Literally just started doing this last week. I did NOT expect it to work so much better than the name-brand app for such a "closed system" as Sonos.

[–] CharmOffensive@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Sonos is the apple of speakers: great hardware, but overpriced and a walled garden.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I haven't had any luck with Music Assistant and my Sonos speakers. :(

I can add and select the speakers, select a track, everything seems to work right up to the point of actually playing music. It just stays paused and never switches to playing, no errors either.

[–] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That very much sounds like a network problem.

Are both hosts in the same subnet?

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. I did see in the docs that there can be issues with Unifi networks, which I have, or with special setups but I did try a few of the settings it mentioned with no luck.

The only thing "special" with my network is I'm using a 10.x.x.x/8 subnet mask. The part that confuses me is the speakers are added with no issue.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I am using the same network - that’s no problem

I have to ask the stupid question but are they in pause? What if you hit the button on top?

[–] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

When they removed the ability to listen to my local music library from the app I started looking for alternatives. Seemingly perfectly timed for the app to shit itself.

I found BubbleUPnP. It can cast to all of my Sonos and my Google assistant speaker with zero issues and can play from Plex, my phone's local library, and my NAS. Highly recommend. Three free version is usable but paid is only $7 and I no longer need the Sonos app.

[–] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

If you use home assistant take a look at music assistant, it solves a lot of these issues for free.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve had my Sonos sound bar controlled by HomeKit since the day I bought it and have never needed to fuck with their app.

I guess I got lucky?

[–] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly you still need that POS to intially configure it and the occasional update.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

No I didn’t actually.

I’ve never bothered with the app.

I just use airplay and let HomeKit handle it and have had absolutely 0 issues with it.

My appleTV discovered it and provided it to HomeKit and I was done.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn, I'm in the wrong business. Been making really bad decisions for free

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Obviously. You could be the next Phil Harrison. Failed with Atari, got picked up by MS to lead Xbox. Failed with Xbox One, got picked up by Google to lead Stadia. Failed with Stadia and is currently keeping a low profile because he probably understood that failing any higher than Google is going to be a long shot.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (6 children)

i don’t know if any of you lot have experienced the sonos app firsthand, but let me tell you that it is worse than you could possibly imagine. it takes ages to open, has a million buttons, and pretty much all of them are useless. it has a play/pause bar on the bottom of the app that does not go away. if you want to change your speaker settings, that’s hidden away in a menu (within the app) called “system settings”. why would they call it that?

the app makes you type in the wifi password when pairing a new speaker, even if that speaker has the ethernet cable plugged in. the app also doesn’t support certain wifi passwords so i had to change my wifi password before connecting my speaker.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Like I'm a programming dullard but they had to go out of their way to filter out allowable WiFi key characters? I don't see why they'd even bother...?

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago

maybe they were afraid of bobby tables

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • 2015: There’s an app for that! 😮📱
  • 2025: There’s an app for that… 😞🔫
[–] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I have an easier time using my Home Assistant dashboard to control my Sonos devices rather than the native app. Takes forever to load in Sonos but with HA, it’s near instant.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

same here. as soon as i got the speakers set up i closed the app, never to open it again. i would have done this anyway, since i like to have all my things in one place, but the app certainly didn’t do itself any favors here

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Holy shit, this is quite the list.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

The worst thing they've ever done is remove functionality from the desktop app and have it exclusively in their mobile app.

I love the idea of Sonos. Being able to have whole house audio without having to run a shit load of cabling would be a dream come true, except they do it so badly it is often a nightmare.

[–] somedev@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

As a Sonos user, yea - I hate the new app. The biggest annoyance is how long it takes to start up, because I don't have an IR TV remote I need to use the app to change the volume (or stand up and use the volume control on the side).

[–] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 169 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Golden parachute successfully deployed.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

$1.8M is pretty small as golden parachutes go. Was probably the smallest amount allowed under his employment contract which avoids a lawsuit.

[–] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 99 points 1 day ago

To paraphrase OP's body text, if I did a shitty job I wouldn't be receiving $1.9M checks in the mail.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Absolutely this. I've never seen a CEO golden parachute anywhere near being under $2m before. To most large company CEOs $2m is pretty much nothing relative to their regular stock options.

[–] YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had 7 Sonos speakers. 2 months after they updated their app I sold them all and replaced them with the Denon 150s. I was such a Sonos booster and loved their products. Now they are a dead company to me.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Sonos basically failed their way out of me ever buying their shit. I bought a Wiim pro and am still using my Samsung soundbar from a decade ago. No complaints.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People like this clown really live in a reality of their own. Imagine being horrible at your job, just to be paid a fat lump of money

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I got that payout, I'd be able to retire...

[–] ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

Give that amount of money to anyone with the most basic of simple financial management and they wouldn’t have to work a day in their entire life while living a very decent life. Almost $2M at 5% growth, below the total historical performance of the stock market, is $100,000 per year for doing nothing except sitting on money. Any amount of that which is reinvested compounds exponentially.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish I could be such a PoS where I join a company, propose a massive investment into something, see it's failure and firing a bunch of staff, then bounce with a nice severance package to join a new company to repeat that over and over again.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly the biggest issue is the rinse repeat part. Anyone can fuck up. But they just get to do it all over again because they have no shame.

Boards and executive suites are filled with people who repeatedly ruin companies and then just do it to the next one.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

people who repeatedly ruin companies

You mean those bold leaders who have the rare ability to take risks* and make the tough decisions**?

  • Risking their “number go up” fun money, not their actual lifestyle, or health, or home, or food supply, etc. Or just risking other people’s assets much of the time.

** The decisions that will hurt people they don’t care about and won’t have to deal with, in order to hopefully make their “number go up” score improve.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 points 23 hours ago

"Go big or go home!" The CEO says as they fire 70% of their staff and now have to take a vacation to recharge at their summer beach house. His major concern? His severance package is only $3 million when his last place gave him $12 million. But this next coke-fueled idea will absolutely get them back to the top!

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Peter Principle in practice. A Quibi exec is taking over for him, I shit you not.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quibi?! The streaming company whose business plan was so bad it lasted like 6 months. That sure inspires confidence.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Said another way, the company that broke production just hired the guy who ran the backend of Pandora Radio for 10 years and not once did he make headlines for an outage.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like they couldn't make things much worse apart from just making the app say, "Lol, fuck you," every time you tried to do anything.

It's so bad, I've mulled just trashing the one speaker I have that I didn't even pay for, just to move to something better.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I just grabbed the old app from The Aurora store and told my speakers not to update their firmware.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am glad most of my devices couldn’t be upgraded to S2 anyway with the size of clusterfuck that turned out to be.

They freaking removed SMB/NFS playback. That’s like 90% of what I listen to.

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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm so confused by some of the stuff in this thread. I still use my sonos stuff and never even noticed the update beyond seeing that the UI changed a little at some point. I know people had some issues but I never stopped being able to do what I wanted with my beam, sub and a couple of satellite speakers in other rooms.

I use streaming services for music when i'm not using it for the TV too. I usually use the streaming apps themselves rather than the sonos app to do anything. I have set some custom EQ stuff with their app, but that's understandable.

I don't think they are anything special and they are very expensive things for what they do, but my problems are very few and far between. Every now and then my beam doesn't get commands from HDMI via my TV... and the TV is always the issue (it's old.) That's really it. I'm not in love with the stuff and when it's time to replace it i'll look at what else is out there, but I don't hate it either.

[–] cr0n1c@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe many folks were using the other features that go beyond streaming... E g. Setting up alarms, streaming music from their locally hosted servers, etc. I believe all that went away with the new app. I never noticed any issues personally, since I just steam/cast.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Even then - my alarms never stopped working, even while I had no way to change them

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Right when S2 came out, If you needed to go in and screw with anything they would force you off of S1 into S2.

Right when the app released it was pretty bad. They broke the integrations. Speakers were having a lot of trouble being added. My SL ones were just appear and disappear randomly for a bit. It took them like a month to sort it out.

But 99% of my use cases are audio over ARC, and playing music in one kid's room every night. The arc never stopped working for me on my beam 2.

When the sl-one dropped off I just used an echo for about a week. Plex was broken for two separate 1 weeks bands during which I also just used the echo.

I think it didn't bother me all that much because I'm already presenting to home automation, and any of my cloud immigrations just explode every time a company farts.

I'd love some speakers that allow streaming without having to be cloud-controlled. I'm afraid I'd have to make them myself.

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