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With the number of people concerned about privacy, it is a wonder why chrome is even popular.

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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The best time to switch to Firefox was 5 years ago. The second best is today.

[–] sycamore@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oops, I switched 15 years ago,

[–] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I switch when it was Phoenix, then switch again when it was Firebird, and finally switch when it become Firefox

[–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

I went straight from Mozilla Navigator to Firefox 1.0.

Tabs were such a crazy new thing back then. You would show tabbed browsing to someone (rather than opening new windows) and they thought you were a wizard. IE5 didn’t have tabs, so nerds moved to Mozilla/Firefox. Then IE6 came out but still didn’t have tabs. By the time IE7 came out, I’d had tabbed browsing for 5+ years.

[–] sycamore@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

you win Firefox!

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Noob. I switched in 2006 - 17 years ago.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cannot be 100% certain but I'm confident I was using it not long after the 1.0 release. That'd put me at 2004. 19 years!

Although I did briefly switch over to Chrome when it was new and fast. Then switched back when Firefox had a major optimization pass.

[–] Gork@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The early Chrome was crazy fast when it had none of the bloat.

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[–] Sho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Google has a web-browser?

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[–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Firefox since it's release. It was never bad. I don't get all the Chrome users.

[–] Action_Bastid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It has a pretty severe memory leak issue during the period where Chrome siphoned off most of its users.

I used it since netscape navigator XD

[–] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Funnily enough - this article is 3 years old

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[–] everythingsucks@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most people aren’t concerned about privacy outside of places like here and Reddit.

[–] Aiastarei@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With Chrome killing ad blocking, they'll quickly care

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[–] Frostwolf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmmm, on the bright side, with lemmy going mainstream maybe some of this culture (including privacy and FOSS) becomes more and more openly discussed.

[–] torres@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean I love Lemmy but I don't see it going mainstream :/
It's too weird for the general user

[–] torres@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As much as I love Lemmy I don't see it going mainstream :/
It's too weird for the general user

[–] theragu40@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree. Arguably reddit isn't even mainstream, and it is exponentially larger than Lemmy now and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

I'm really loving Lemmy, but it is not even remotely a factor if we are having a conversation about things that are mainstream enough to reflect popular opinion.

[–] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Reddit was too weird for most people until they ended up being in their Google search results for most topics. It will take a while but the Fediverse will eventually reach a level of popularity and mainstream utility.

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[–] nakamotto@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Firefox + Ublock Origin blows Google Chrome out of water.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Firefox is a weird buggy mess that constantly freezes.

This is definitely not normal, Firefox never freezes for me. May be worth checking that out, especially your extensions.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The whole Reddit debacle has really made me rethink all my services. I recently installed duck duck go and still getting used to it, so not quite sure if I'm ready to make another drastic change.

I used to love Firefox in 2006 or so, but got Chrome when it was released and forgot about Firefox. I think I'll open a tab in my chrome browser for the Firefox page now...this is how I remind myself to delve deeper into stuff later. Thanks for the inspiration, everyone. Google has irked me ever since removing the Don't Be Evil mantra.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Firefox has a super simple way to import everything from your Chrome install. And from what I can tell it has every feature plus more. Was very easy for me to switch. I was actually inspired to try it as my daily driver since Chrome hogs an uncomfortable amount of RAM on my laptop

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was one extension I used in Chrome that I haven't found a Firefox replacement for, but I stopped trying to look a while ago and just live without it.

Was a specific kind of cookie manager: you could whitelist a set of websites to keep their cookies. Everything else would be deleted when you told the extension to do so.

Too many websites need cookies that stick around indefinitely. But I also don't want to delete everything everytime I close Firefox, because I may want to keep a website around for a few days without wanting to bother adding it to a whitelist.

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[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's no reason you should be using Chrome. Using Chrome:

  • Means you consent to spyware (along with everyone else you interact with)
  • Allows Google to continue dictating web standards
  • Is a resource hog

If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading this comic about the dangers of Chrome: https://contrachrome.com/

If you need to absolutely use a Chromium-based browser, at least use Brave (just for that site).

Not-so-fun fact from the comic Contra Chrome: Google Chrome's URL bar is called the "omnibox." The name is derived from the Latin word "omnis," meaning "everything."

When you type into the omnibox, it's sent to Google's servers and added to your profile forever.

Even if you deleted it or didn't hit enter.

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

With the number of people concerned about privacy, it is a wonder why chrome is even popular.

It's no wonder. It's because people aren't actually concerned about privacy.

If you ask someone if they're "concerned about privacy" many people will of course say yes. If you follow up that question with "what are you willing to do about it", you'll find that the answer is a resounding "not a God damn thing". If they were they would spend 3 minutes on Google looking for an alternative browser that works even better than Chrome but without the privacy invasions.

A browser is the low-hanging fruit on the "do-you-care-about-privacy meter". It's the one step with no sacrifices and the highest increase in privacy.

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[–] Paralda@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

I use Vivaldi, which isn't perfect, but I need tab grouping in some form. Firefox's solutions for tab groups are meh at best

[–] Metallibus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

IMO the thing is that people don't care about their privacy. Sure, some people around here do, but your average person owns an Alexa, has a FB/Instagram account and constantly posts their location, uses the same password on many sites, uses TikTok, doesn't block cookies, etc etc etc.

Most people don't actually care. Some claim they do, but then can't even be bothered to stop using Instagram etc because of the "inconvenience"... So do they really care?

Some companies (Apple, etc) push their products under a narrative around safety and security, and people will repeat that point as a way to justify a decision they already made, but if they actually cared, they would be doing other things too. But they don't.

The number of us who do actually care about privacy and security is actually very small.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what are some necessary addons besides ublock?

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[–] AteshgaRubyTeeth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have too use Edge at work. Is Edge also implementing this shit?

[–] SkySyrup@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

edge is chromium based so yes

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[–] Kylamon1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My biggest issue with FF is the lack of the ability to switch accounts easily. In Chrome I have a work account, a home account, and a side hustle account. Each has their own bookmarks, themes, passwords, and history.

I have tried using FF and the few workarounds to match this feature, but so far it has none worked as smoothly as chromes 2 button clicks to switch accounts.

[–] MixedRaceHumanAI@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Firefox has Container Tabs, where you can separate your personal, banking, work etc. Aside of that, they are completely separate sets of cookies used. You don't need to open new window.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Container tabs? They are an official extension but for some reason don't come pre-installed. I use them extensively for exactly this. Also they are great for paywall evasion, as they don't count as incognito browsing but can be created and destroyed in seconds.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can have full on separate profiles in Firefox with no common data between them! Accounts, cookies, settings, extensions and their data, even configuration flags and where the profile folder is located on your computer can be customized for each profile! You can even have multiple profiles open simultaneously. Check out about:profiles

[–] Sauloto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

there's an extention to do that, i believe is called "account switcher" is 3 clicks but.. better than nothing

[–] graphed_pingu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can always use firefox's profiles to manage different profiles and the "profile switcher for Firefox" extension. 2 clicks to change profile that way.

[–] peanutdust@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

i use 5 browsers 3 of them are based on firefox

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

With the number of people concerned about privacy, it is a wonder how privacy is still a word in the dictionary

[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

With the number of people concerned about privacy

That number appears to be very small, all things considered. Out of everyone I know, literally one person cares about privacy. My mother. She will even go as far as to only use her first initial online instead of her name if she can get away with it. However, she uses Chrome all the time because she doesn't understand that your browser also tracks you.

I think that's what it comes down to. A mixture of lack of public interest, and lack of public awareness about tracking/privacy in general. If people can't immediately see how having their data harvested will inconvenience/hurt them, they simply don't care.

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