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Firefox users criticized the permanent 'List All Tabs' button introduced in version 131.0, leading Mozilla to make it removable.

The button, designed to manage hidden tabs and prevent add-ons from hiding them, received backlash for being unnecessary alongside Firefox View.

Mozilla responded with a fix in version 131.0.3, allowing users to remove the button through toolbar customization.

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[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

OOTL: I'm confused. What is this? I've been using Firefox for years and I have no idea what this button is/was or why people would be annoyed by it.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why do we want to be able to hide tabs in the first place?

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

tab management addons is one example, like those that make tab groups. maybe there are other use cases too, but this feature is for the addons, not to be directly used by users

[–] Zier@fedia.io 25 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Holy crap, Firefox actually listened to it's users? Is Earth out of orbit or something???

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

kinda funny, though.. the functionality has been there for awhile. just flying under the radar with a less-noticeable icon.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 1 hour ago

the problem is probably actually that it consumed additional space, instead of being kept on the new tab button's right click menu

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Sometimes I feel like Firefox wants to be very visible while you're using it so that you know you're using Firefox. A great browser should disappear into the background most of the time.

I have no problem with highlighting a new feature by default, but making it impossible to remove doesn't win you any favors. I feel like there are a lot of tab management things that Firefox is very proud of and wants people to use that are just not that useful. Especially when they haven't finished implementing vertical tabs yet, which has been a requested feature for a decade.

Don't get me wrong, I love Firefox, and I think it's a great browser, but these little bad PR missteps make it really frustrating.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 42 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That never bugged me too much, but I'll at least be glad it can be disabled for people who really dislike it.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Agreed. Being able to customize all elements of the top bar is one of the great things about Firefox.
I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to remove newly added elements. Even the "Open a new tab" button can be removed, as well as the recently added "View recent browsing across windows and devices" button.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

Customizability, and most importantly portable customizability, is non-existent in most modern software. Even highly configurable FOSS products like Firefox take time, effort, and above average technical skills to mirror configs between not only clients, but identical clients, and even just keeping them in sync. You shouldn't have to log into their cloud or jump through hoops; just export a config file(s) and import it onto another machine; if versions are identical, the state of the product and its feature-set should be identical (e.g. not temp, session, or 3rd party data; though in the case of Firefox all extension configs should apply too, as they are part of its ecosystem/feature-set).

As a consumer, I often wish that there were a requirement for ALL digital product software and services to export/import their current config, including all "user" data, to open-source compatible, lossless formats — this would be the most effective method to free consumers and businesses alike from vendor lock-in and monopolization — but as a developer I'm aware that would be a nightmare, especially for all pre-existing software.

[–] pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Literally just obsoleted my 2 week old CSS hack haha. Another useless GitHub project on my account. https://github.com/barelyelectric/firefox-csshacks

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago

Hey, the best way to learn / practice is to build tools for yourself. Just think of it as Mozilla gave you a useful coding challenge before they came to their senses.

[–] julianh@lemm.ee 17 points 4 hours ago

Nice, that always bugged me.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm, I love that button and use it all the time I don't care what the icon is

[–] jutty@blendit.bsd.cafe 2 points 2 hours ago

It's the only thing left after I've reduced my tab bar to a row of favicons.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Now about that extensions button...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 hour ago

ugh, finally