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[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 155 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Tesla, founded by the billionaire CEO Elon Musk, has frequently faced scrutiny over safety issues.

That is incorrect

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

Yet every time the two are mentioned everyone says he's the founder

Journalism is dead

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this the company where he paid a sum of money to the real founder or founders to be called the founder?
Or was that another company?

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Correct on the first part, I don't know if he did it for other companies as well.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks! So he's the $$$paidtobecalledafounderlikeastupididiot$$$ of this company.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

And it worked. That's the worst part. This article and others call him the founder.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 58 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It is legally correct, but factually incorrect.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So the assumption is that they could not exit the vehicle?

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I guess the question has so be raised how four people died in a car that didn't roll over.

The good thing is that Tesla has the records and will release them without issues...

[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If Musk can remote disable the car, can he remote lock the doors and have it speed up?

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago

Can a malicious actor remotely do stuff with your thing you connected to the internet?

Yes.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If elon can change the breaking for Full Self Driving, he can disable brakes. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if some people figure out how to backdoor a Tesla and disable breaks. Companies are horrible at securing data and with elons fire 50% of employees mentality I wouldn't be surprised if the cybersecurity people get overworked/mess up one day

"Brakes", please.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hackers-win-free-tesla-model-3-and-350k-after-exploiting-cars-screen-in-minutes

Tesla offers challenges and bounties to get people to hack the cars so that they can patch the software. Most good companies that deal with software that must be secure do similar things.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

He'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And if he can, who else can?

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His password is probably “god”

[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Hmmm I wonder if a vehicle filled with flammable explodey-gas who just drove over 2 metal signs at high speed would be on fire as well? Would it have gotten the attention that this vehicle had, given that ICE cars burn many times more often than EV's do.

It is a tragedy and should be investigated but these articles have to get off the "It's new so it's bad" bandwagon until the investigators come in. It could have been a flat tire at high speeds that sent the car onto that shoulder and over those signs. There is uneven wear on the tires so on the outside of Regenerative Breaking EV's tires look almost new on the outside but trashed on the inside. If it blew because of that, or some nail on the road then there is no fault on Tesla and the man-boy who runs it. If however say steering went or the airbag randomly went off when the car was at speed my least favourite Martian and Tesla would be culpable.

Until then turn the sensationalism on your stories down to 11.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I'm a fan of EVs, but Tesla lacks ~~security~~ safety and I'm not a fan of it.

It's too complicated to leave the car when power is off for example.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yep. That's my issue. It's not the fire, it's that it's really hard to get out in a disaster.

The Tesla could just have easily killed four if it crashed into water.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You mean, the mechanical handle present? I'm not sure if older cars over a decade ago didn't have em, but my model 3 has mechanical release on every hinged part. Even the drunk, which no human being would even fit in (I think, I guess a toddler might?).

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[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If I recall correctly, the manual override for the electric inner door handle is hidden under some panel. Major lawsuit material if you ask me, and irresponsible by the certifying authorities,

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

no, it wouldn't. Because the car is not filled with aerosolized explodey-gas, but just flammable liquid contained in a robust tank. it is not explosive. It can catch fire, but not simply from impact. You'd need a hole in the tank lower than the current fuel level and an external ignition source. Even if you shoot the gas tank directly, it will not explode. It is physically impossible for it to explode.

Puncture one of an electric car's cells, and it sets off a chain reaction. The whole car very quickly goes up in flames.

[–] Strykker@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A hit car engine is an external ignition source, and gas cars go up in flames daily in the us

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[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Robust"? Clearly you've never driven an itlian made car!

Alphas tanks are literally made out of plastic. You can poke them with a basic screwdriver.

Yeah it won't go boom, but point being, they're not robust and go in flames fairly often too...

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

This is true, yeah. He bought the title of founder.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It was Saturday evening around 10pm, three restaurant employees went into one of the client car to "try it out", the client (65 years old) was clearly speeding, lost control of the vehicle, left the road and hit a traffic sign.

My bet is that all of that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a Tesla, the only difference is the fire but this is the same for every electric vehicle.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

i wonder if they were unable to open the doors for some non-tesla related reason such as death

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah but nobody will click a headline like 'person killed in car crash after speeding and hitting a traffic sign'

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

timesofmalta... this reminded me of the maltase journalist who was car bombed there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Pretty much all forms of vehicle transport is unsafe. This is why electric cars should be thought of as: good but not ideal.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago

I'm halfway through rewatching Demolition Man as of yesterday evening. Simon Phoenix blew up the capacitance gel in a car using one of the cop's electrical night sticks. I can only assume that Musk is now going to unfreeze John Spartan to deal with these crimes.

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