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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Love how it takes them 3-5 business days to return the money they stole from you.

We had to remove our credit card from our account because Amazon kept charging us for Prime and I would have to call them to get it cancelled and refunded (and wait 3-5 business days to get our money back).
We were very careful when checking out that we didn't have anything checked saying "sign me up for Prime", even had it happen on a day where we did not place an order (and therefore weren't on the site) for at least a week on either side of us "signing up for Prime." Once we took the card off the account it stopped happening, so it wasn't anything we were activating.

It's annoying to have to re-enter our card information if we want to order something, but less annoying than having to call them every month to cancel Prime again. And anything that increases the barrier to using Amazon is probably a good thing anyway.

[–] s_s@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

3-5 business days is the time it takes your bank to return your money to you, per your cardholder agreement.

[–] hihellobyeoh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm sorry, but I do want to point out, that even if they post the refund immediately, between their bank, and your bank, is generally why the 3-5 business days is in there, because they know there will be some delay between all of the involved parties.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Amazon is dead. All the products are cheap, questionably-manufactured crap.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

Its not dead but it does have cancer and lots of bloat and fluid build up

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

At this point, you can no longer trust Amazon to process returns properly. I've had three expensive items stuck on Awaiting Return, despite tracking showing it's been returned, and chat automatically processes the refund once I reach out. Frustrating ...

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I buy directly from the manufacturer and have for years. Most of my stuff comes gift wrapped with coupons and tracking numbers and reward points; sometimes I can even get clearance items or sales that make it on par with Amazon prices, especially these days Amazon isn't very cheap. If I need cheap bullshit, there's always Dollar Tree.

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ive had this happen a few times. It goes something like this:

  • i buy product and initiate return
  • i ship item with return label
  • as soon as return label is scanned then amazon will release the funds back to me
  • if for some reason they don't get that package then they say they didn't get the item back and take the funds back. When this has happened to me it has been 6+ months later
  • when i asked amazon about it they just tell me they didn't get it back. I tell them i have the shipping confirmation receipt and that this is someone else's problem and not mine.
  • there's a lot of back and forth and eventually they act like they're doing me a favor by giving me my money back

I think the problem was one of the drop off locations we used was stealing products, or just straight up losing them. But it is insane to me that amazon comes back 6 months later. The only thing worse than buying a broken dildo on amazon is returning the broken dildo and still getting charged for it. Getting fucked by the broken dildo twice and not in the ways i had hoped!

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I always take it to my UPS store down the road instead of boxing it up and sending it out. You don't package the item up at all. They scan the barcode on my phone and take the item. Done, return processed. If they steal it afterwards, not my problem since the code was scanned and you get a notification/receipt. They have a lot of strange locations you can take it to, including random big box stores.

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That's what we were doing. It can still happen. If the item isn't received back by Amazon for some reason then they charge you for the product again, even if 6+ months later.

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

That is some definite bullshit. I am both a software developer and a controls engineer. That stuff irritates me to no end, but I also understand how these systems can fail. They will always protect themselves over the user/customer, so thus we suffer. Hell, I used to do Amazon projects on the controls/industrial side. Amazon had their own software systems that they built/stole running things overall, so thankfully I didn't have to deal with trying to make them happy on the software side too. I much prefer programming the machinery.

[–] DucktorZee@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

You were lucky enough to find the chatbot. I had this happen when I could not find any way at all to reach someone about this problem. Ended up eating the charge f*** Amazon

[–] punkaccountant@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In the app search bar I was able to get the chatbot just by typing the question “how do I chat with customer service?” For future reference.

[–] DucktorZee@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

Thanks but that was pretty much the last straw on Amazon in my life so I hope to never use this information. 😜

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

They seriously hide that shit and move it around so that you can't find it. Also it gets worse every year.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah it’s always annoying to find it:(

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 18 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Wait, so you got charged a year later after returning it? They only issue refunds when it has been sent back, so they are charging you for their own inventory mismanagement, or worse.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 18 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

They often do the whole “we’ll refund immediately as a courtesy but you need to return it by x or you’ll be charged” thing— in this case for whatever (infuriating) reason they charged me even though it’s clear their own system (their chat bot) knew the item had been marked as received on their end. I dropped it off at a brick and mortar store too!

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Wtf. They must have screwed something up with a software update. Worst case you charge back, but that might get your account banned...

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

"computer error"

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's possible this is yet another courtesy refund thingy and they think they don't have it but they think the price of the item is not as important as making you happy as a customer.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I mean I dropped it off at an amazon store so they definitely received it

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 8 hours ago

I'm not doubting your story, I'm saying their records might not be what you think they are.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Did it refund you after the chat?

I feel like I had this happen as well but the chat bot was smart enough to be like "this dude spends a fuck ton on Amazon and this item was only $12, I'll just mark it received and get dude the money back."

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 hours ago

The bot did not refund me, I talked to a real person via the chat and they said the carrier team didn’t mark it received and that they would “disarm the retro charge” and refund me. We’ll see if it goes through.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I do. I just find this tired. I thought that was pretty clear.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 55 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

In this case, "it looks like we received it" sounds like typical AI choosing a response that sounds right with no attention to its meaning.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, I doubt the chatbot has direct access to the inventory.

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

One of their marketed features is the ability to access this type of useful information. Amazon is supposed to be one of the leading developers of the technology. I would be more surprised if they didn't.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 131 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I had an ISP try to bill me for an unreturned modem five years ago.

I kept the receipt because I expected them to be so incompetent. Good luck.

[–] shadshack@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hah! I just recently got to switch off Comcast to a newer local fiber company. Comcast emailed and texted me for weeks telling me to return their equipment that I never had, but even their website showed I had nothing to return so I ignored it. Eventually the emails changed to "you've been charged", so I called to complain. They assured me that I wasn't actually charged, and then realized they owed me a prorated refund since I cancelled in the middle of a billing cycle. They absolutely weren't going to give that back unless I called.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 12 hours ago

They can’t decide whether they’re evil or they just hire the most inept and cheapest people possible.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They ALWAYS try that shit. They never don't. I keep receipts and photos.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 42 points 1 day ago (16 children)

It's not surprising here on Lemmy, but on pretty much every other site I've ever mentioned issues I've had with Amazon, the replies would be filled with people claiming it is the best customer service, that they've never had any issues with Amazon at all, and that it must be something I did to cause the problem.

Personally I stopped using Amazon on a regular basis almost a decade ago after it was clear that the company I first started using back in the mid 2000s was irrevocably changed for the worse.

[–] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 25 points 21 hours ago

People who spend a lot on Amazon have great experiences on Amazon, people who don't spend a lot on amazon have poorer experiences

I suspect when you contact them there is a dashboard that tells the customer service operator how much effort they should put in to retain you as a customer.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 16 hours ago

You probably need to stay within a certain ratio of returns vs keeping stuff, and as long as your score is good, they'll honour returns without asking too much questions. We definitely return a lot of stuff without having any trouble, but we only return like less than 1% compared to what we buy.

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[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I bought an electric start generator that stalled out after 20 minutes consistently, This unit can run all the essentials in my house whenever needed. I called and told the rep it runs great but all of a sudden it dies for no apparent reason.

He gave me full credit for it and told me to keep it or donate it.

I figured out the next day that is was my basement dehumidifier trying to turn on and the generator could not handle it.

It was fine the entire time. It runs on propane or gas and has a clone of a Yamaha engine and is made by WEN.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago

Prior to saying it was propane I thought it had a lithium battery. I think those are hard to accept as refunds due to shipping regulations, but maybe it's similar.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 8 points 16 hours ago

It probably depends on your account. If they don't think you are trying to game their system and you are a deep pocket consumer, they probably won't put up too much of a fight, they'd rather keep you hooked.

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Amazon gave me a partial refund for something that arrived with defects and then I requested a full refund because it turns out it was way more broken than I initially thought in exchange for sending it back but I never sent it back and they just approved the full refund.

There is nobody in charge at Amazon costumer support

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

CS agents have to work a minimum of 17 tickets per hour. Their quality is assessed by How's My Driving responses from customers, and the HMD have to meet a certain level.

This incentives the agent to wrap the ticket up as quickly as possible, to the best outcome for the customer, in the hopes they leave 5* HMD responses.

CS agent actions cost the company money? Who cares.

CS agents actions were good for the environment? Who cares.

Speed and High HMD is the only two things on a CS agents mind.

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