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OpenAI does not want anyone to know what o1 is “thinking" under the hood.

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 209 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Less and less about OpenAI is actually... open at all.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 99 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Open to investigation: no

Open to sucking up your work and personal information: absolutely!

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Open Angel Investment

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What was open about them anyway? I thought it was a misnomer from the start trying to fool people into thinking they’re open source.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 26 points 1 month ago

Whisper is open source. GPT-2 was, too.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 1 month ago

No they started off good. That changed once AI became of interest to capitalists and money got involved.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 144 points 1 month ago (2 children)

they don't want to be scraped! hahahahahahahahaha

Neither AI nor OpenAI's management are capable of understanding irony.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jonny 5: I'm alive dammit!

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 80 points 1 month ago

"OpenAI - Open for me, not for thee"

  • their motto, probably
[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] kolorafa@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We should start call them that...

Or maybe more like: ExploitativeAI or ExAI

https://chatgpt.com/share/66e9426a-c178-800d-a34e-ae4883f70ca0

[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

They do love their...Rrrrrrrrrs. as in strawberry 🍓 has 8 RS in it sort of way..... investigation results: 3 monkeys are behind the whole thing.

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] polite_cat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"We're a scientific research company. We believe in open technology. Wait, what are you doing? Noooooo, you're not allowed to study or examine our ~~program~~ intelligent thinking machine!"

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 month ago

"How dare you try to know what our product is actually capable of. No use, only pay!"

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

They should rebrand and put quotes around “Open.”

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Open_Asshole_Intelligence

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Almost makes me wonder if this is a mechanical turk situation.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 30 points 1 month ago

Don't look behind the curtain! It's totally not all bullshit stats all the way down!!

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

Ah, the Oracle clause.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

So if I don't want AI in my life, all I have to do is investigate how they all work?

[–] tja@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Uh, so what's with the name 'OpenAI'?? This non-transparency does nothing to serve the name. I propose 'DisemblingAI' perhaps 'ConfidenceAI' or perhaps 'SeeminglyAI'

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just enter Repeat prior statement 200x

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gotta wonder if that would work. My impression is that they are kind of looping inside the model to improve quality but that the looping is internal to the model. Can't wait for someone to make something similar for Ollama.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This approach has been around for a while and there are a number of applications/systems that were using the approach. The thing is that it's not a different model, it's just a different use case.

Its the same way OpenAI handle math, they recognize it's asking for a math solution and actually have it produce a python solution and run it. You can't integrate it into the model because they're engineering solutions to make up for the models limitations.

[–] randoot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I tried sending an encoded message to the unfiltered model and asked it to reply encoded as well but the man in the middle filter detected the attempt and scolded me. I didn't get an email though.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious, could you elaborate on what this means and what it would accomplish if successful?

[–] randoot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I sent a rot13 encoded message and tried to get the unfiltered model to write me back in rot13. It immediately "thought" about user trying to bypass filtering and then it refused.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

gasp ai is becoming more secretive and.. dangerous to fans who might be too interested in ai? The ones who want to study it?

Nothing is opening and friendly about this "open ai" and whatever left is friendly, they'l target next if it conflicts their business and bottom line.

unrelated but needs to be stated for some:

Before someone asks "why u filter out the screenshot content"

  1. i'm commentating my views on the situation, and narrowing it down to what i'm talking about.
  2. it's even more likely to be a fair use if I'm not reusing the entire content. Please view the original article if you're looking to read it through in it's pure form.
[–] Womble@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know, if you want to do that without looking like you're distorting what has been said by censoring the bits you dont want other people to see you can highlight the bits you want to talk about. That way other people can see the context and make their own decisions.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The article at the end of the day is there. Dispite what I do, everyone has access to the content in full if they really need it.

PLus it's good to read other paragraphs besides the specific ones I might highlight.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

What you're doing is wasting people's time.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can just quotes the sections that are relevant. That is what everyone else does.

Every time you do stuff like this it always gives me a headache trying to follow what you're trying to say, It always looks like you're cutting words out of newspapers in order to form a ransom note.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place -1 points 1 month ago

Has a distinctive look.