this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2024
117 points (94.0% liked)

Europe

1271 readers
398 users here now

News and information from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in !yurop@lemm.ee. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)

(This list may get expanded when necessary.)

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @federalreverse@feddit.org, @poVoq@slrpnk.net, or @anzo@programming.dev.

founded 2 months ago
MODERATORS
 

FRANKFURT, Aug 25 (Reuters) - The suspect in custody for a stabbing rampage in the western German city of Solingen that killed three people and injured eight is a 26-year-old Syrian man, authorities said early on Sunday.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Saleh@feddit.org 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I really hope we don't get riots like in the UK now. I am sure we will see a lot of incitement from the extreme far right and i am worried that the populist right will flank the incitement rather than distance from it.

[–] oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Attacks like this fit their narrative perfectly. They don’t even need to incite.

If people like you only worry about how this will play well for the extreme right, they have already won.

The problem here isn’t the far right. The problem is terrorist murder.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

The far right is still the biggest problem we have. Needless to say this was a horrible incident and no one wants fucking Isis around, but far right terrorism is still a much bigger threat to our society.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fair enough as opinions go. More interesting would be facts and figures. A good place to begin: annual number of fatalities caused by terrorism of each of those two variants.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The German internal secret service (BfV) counted 1148 violent right-wing offenses in 2023. There were 329 violent offenses with "foreign" ideological background (this includes islamism among many other things) in 2023. Source PDF

I should probably note that BfV is known for being a little blind to right-wing extremism too.

Previous BfV president Maaßen has in the meantime become the leader of his very own right-wing party. I do trust current BfV president Haldenwang a bit more than him but I don't think he's been able to unfuck the organization as a whole.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] roboto@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Yeah here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/06/terrorism-far-right-white-supremacists-911-us

The guy from Norway, the guy in New Zealand, the guys in Germany were all nazi shooters mowing down immigrants. But politics and media call them lone wolfs or disoriented kids and it has nothing to do with their nazi manifestos vs if they’re Muslim it’s a problem of Islam as a whole.

I don’t blame anyone for actually believing that Islamism is real our biggest threat because media and politics make it seem that way.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Lhianna@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

The problem is fascism in any way. Islamist extremists are just as fascistic as right wing extremists.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess we all know what happened in this comment section!

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] suzune@ani.social 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It seems he has been already denied asylum last year, but escaped the authorities somehow.

Now some politicians are suggesting idiotic laws and spreading populist bullshit, like every time.

[–] sour@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

somehow

Refugees that get denied asylum after years are informed days to weeks ahead when exactly the authorities show up to bring them back to their origin country.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't seem that smart

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, what are you expecting?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Expecting? I was expecting exactly what we both see. No debate of substance is permitted on this subject. You know that already.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If comments like "all muslims are bad" are a good start to a "debate of substance" in your view, I don't actually mind you not participating.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This straw man says more about you than any argument I have ever made here.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Huh? You were complaining about how evil mods were suppressing debate (paraphrasing obviously).

But the removed comment thread literally started with a blanket "muslims are bad" comment.

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Man, this shit just keeps happening.

[–] Head@lemmings.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just what we need. /s